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He was racing for 20th place. Given that there were 3 other riders behind him, the nearest rider behind him was near 20 seconds behind HIM, his excuse for not chilling out when the blue flag was thrown for him is hollow at best. Both the intent and the text of the rules are clear: You are pretty much out of the race, stay out of the way. Instead, he admits he kept riding at his max.

I was P-20 place (last $ position) during race when Hayes past me, 21st I get $0. If I got 21st I didn't want it to be over backing off ;)

The shouting was unnecessary. But the suspension, :applause
 
3 race suspension

I think giving him a 3 race suspension is a little harsh for what happened.
Yates is a pretty hot head at times (remember when he drop kicked the guy at Daytona)and if you see the interview he didnot seem to upset nor did Hayes.

Its racing, he proably should have gotten out of the way, I will have to look at the section again where Hayes past and when Yates got caught,
But for an organization who is suppose to act professional that was a pretty sorry display of language and attitude by Ludington, and I keep going back to Hacking getting fined etc for foul language and the up roar DMG made about that, are the going to suspend Ludington???

I forgot Ludington was saying about ruining the show, it seems not to many people where watching if you see pictures of the stands, it was hardly standing room only


I will be glad when the season is over, I just hope the manufactures start their own series and take the Erions, Jordan, Attack and M4 with them.

This way DMG and Buell can play in their own sand box.
 
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the sad part of all these is the obtuse mentality of who runs nascar. AMA is not the last call, at least I would hope so or better was not the last call. Some yong riders from the states needs AMA to lip over WSBK or FIM.

They are running AMA like if there wasn't anything else beyond that but indeed there is.

We sure don't look good overseas and it is not because we don't have the knowledge or skills, we just don't have the right leaders.

I am sure there are many guys/kids out there that would do great in WSP and WSBK but who is going to notice them?

the best we can get right now is a smile and few giggles from the big dogs overseas
 
He was racing for 20th place. Given that there were 3 other riders behind him, the nearest rider behind him was near 20 seconds behind HIM, his excuse for not chilling out when the blue flag was thrown for him is hollow at best. Both the intent and the text of the rules are clear: You are pretty much out of the race, stay out of the way. Instead, he admits he kept riding at his max.



The shouting was unnecessary. But the suspension, :applause

:rolleyes How was he to know (He probably has a pit board, but I don't know for certain) who was behind him or how far? Per the current rule book re the blue flag ( "Section 7: Race Rules And Procedures 7.14 Flags / Lights vii. Blue Flag: Indicates to a rider that they are about to be overtaken. Riders are advised to keep their line and allow the faster rider to pass. Riders disregarding this flag may be blackflagged at the discretion of AMA Pro Racing.") and the fact that the track is largely ONE line he did in fact hold his line. Could he have moved over to allow Yates to pass? Sure, he "could" have but given the track it's entirely likely he could have caused even more havoc. Slower riders are a fact of life in motorcycle racing, either go to a grid where the cutoff time eliminates the likelihood of lapping or accept the reality that it may impact the race order. I've been on both ends of the equation and there is (and probably never will be a perfect solution) so pick one and deal with it. Bottom line, an official from a National road racing series cursing at a qualified racer from said series and threatening him is such total bullshit that at the very least he should be fired, not to mention the blatant rule violation of the Buell superbike. I've said it before and I will continue to say it, DMG is the worst thing that has happened to American Road Racing sing AMA Paradigm.
 
Man AL is such a dick:twofinger I can see it now if JRP moved out of the way, and got in the way, big Dick head AL would have said din't you read the rule? blue flag means hold your line:rofl Holly fucking shit DMG is a complete mess. I hope all the factories pull out. Al go fuck yourself.
 
meh- two wrongs don't make a right. He was a total road block and should have let Yates by instead of trying to race the leaders for 20th place. Al blew his stack, also not cool. I'm ok with Johnny Block Page earning a suspension. Having backmarkers determine who wins has always been a problem for top riders in the AMA. I thought it sucked watching the battle with Yates go down the tubes because Johnny Block Page wanted a little tv time. Blue flag? Hold you line but let the lead group go past. It's not rocket science.
 
meh- two wrongs don't make a right. He was a total road block and should have let Yates by instead of trying to race the leaders for 20th place. Al blew his stack, also not cool. I'm ok with Johnny Block Page earning a suspension. Having backmarkers determine who wins has always been a problem for top riders in the AMA. I thought it sucked watching the battle with Yates go down the tubes because Johnny Block Page wanted a little tv time. Blue flag? Hold you line but let the lead group go past. It's not rocket science.


He did hold his line:rolleyes he did exactly what the rule book told him to do! it is up to them to get around safely. They just happen to come up on JRP where the track is just 1 line. Look how many people get lapped in Nasfuck. Do you see officials comming over and yelling at all of those guys, because they ruined the show! No, well not that we have on video anyway. And if they don't want the traffic issue, they should just reduce the cut off time for qualifying. The problem then would be, 12 guys on the grid.
 
He did hold his line:rolleyes he did exactly what the rule book told him to do! it is up to them to get around safely. They just happen to come up on JRP where the track is just 1 line. Look how many people get lapped in Nasfuck. Do you see officials comming over and yelling at all of those guys, because they ruined the show! No, well not that we have on video anyway. And if they don't want the traffic issue, they should just reduce the cut off time for qualifying. The problem then would be, 12 guys on the grid.

that is the key point of all this.
 
He did hold his line:rolleyes he did exactly what the rule book told him to do! it is up to them to get around safely. They just happen to come up on JRP where the track is just 1 line. Look how many people get lapped in Nasfuck. Do you see officials comming over and yelling at all of those guys, because they ruined the show! No, well not that we have on video anyway. And if they don't want the traffic issue, they should just reduce the cut off time for qualifying. The problem then would be, 12 guys on the grid.

I know you've seen blue flag situations in wsbk and mgp. They don't try and race the leaders, they let them by. Did you actually watch the race? Block Page could have let them by but chose not to. Yes it's a one line track but that doesn't mean you have to try and play road block and show of your 20th place skills. He could have rolled off the throttle while holding his line and let them by. The guy behind him was six seconds away, not like it was going to alter his race.
 
Atleast JRP doesn't have dead bugs on the back of his helmet like another AMA racer I know of...

:laughing
 
I know you've seen blue flag situations in wsbk and mgp. They don't try and race the leaders, they let them by. Did you actually watch the race? Block Page could have let them by but chose not to. Yes it's a one line track but that doesn't mean you have to try and play road block and show of your 20th place skills. He could have rolled off the throttle while holding his line and let them by. The guy behind him was six seconds away, not like it was going to alter his race.

Yep, especially after Hayes went by.

C'mon people, yes AMA/DMG is not exactly doing a bang up job running the series. Yes, Ludington seems to be a tool on a power trip.

That aside, YOU ALL know what it's like coming up on someone going 3-5 seconds a lap slower than you. How about when you're in a race, you're the leader or close 2nd and it's the final laps.

"Holding your line" doesn't mean to ride 10/10's Maybe it's implied and not written in the rules, but every true professional knows he should roll out of the throttle a bit and make it easy for the leaders to come by, even while holding his line.

Did anyone see the other guys being lapped? They stood up and moved off line and that's the pro thing to do when you're being lapped, written in the rules or not. It's what pro riders do in every major series around the world.

Let's not lose site of how this started in favor of arguing on the internet. The lapper started this and the fact that he put a mic on himself tells me that he knew he f'kd up and was already preparing a defense - class move.
 
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JRP should know how to get lapped. He gets lapped every single race.
It's not hard to look behind and see the leaders coming up and move off the race line, especially when there's no one to race with. JRP was trying to not get lapped.
 
Did anyone see the other guys being lapped? They stood up and moved off line and that's the pro thing to do when you're being lapped, written in the rules or not. It's what pro riders do in every major series around the world.

As a side note, did you see what happened to Melissa Paris when she moved over for the leaders? She promptly got passed by the two she was racing.
 
I didn't see it myself, but for those who did. It sounds like he did the right thing to hold the line in that section, but did he or didn't he remain on the line after being passed by Ben and appear to be keeping pace with the leaders after the single file area of track.

I have had it go for and against me over the years, so I am a bit sensitive about lapping and getting lapped. I look for the first opportunity to relinquish the racing line when the boys lapped me.

Either way the situation was handled terrible.
 
Last time I "moved over" for the guys lapping me, this is what happened

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I left room on the inside, but Yates decided to try a cool move on the outside and took me out. Wasn't so cool...sure made for a cool picture though. JRP did the right thing by 'holding his line'.
 
I saw this video earlier and was truely embarassed by what I saw. So it sucks JRP getting lapped, but here is an example of someone totally self promoted bringing money into the series being treated without an ounce of respect. Kudo's to JRP for not being "baited" by Al, I'm losing whatever respect I had for that series.

Quoting Joe Salas "for the last few years, even before DMG and all that crap, WSBK annd WSS are the fuckin rockinest anyhow".
 
I've spent the last 5 years working in the AMA paddock. I have seen countless battles for the lead ruined by backmarkers. I've seen riders work their asses off to gap the guys behind them, only to lose it all to a backmarker. That DOES suck, it's not what everyone is there to see.

JRP is a self-made businessman (millionaire? dunno) that spends his own money to go race because he loves it. While I don't agree with his riding in this instance, I respect him for that. He couldn't really get out of the way in the last section but he DEFINITELY stayed on the gas on the front straight and going into T1. Not cool.

The rulebook says "hold your line..." and it's a good fallback for his argument with Luddington but I suspect he knew he was by himself, he has a pit board. These situations are more of a result of the structure of the AMA and the classes. Their deal has always been to fill the grid and rake in as much money as possible. You can't blame JRP for that.

I used to repect Al Luddington when he was with DuHamel and Honda. I spoke to him several times and he was always cool and respectful of B-Boz's "lowly helmet guy". Now that he's with DMG he has definitely slipped down several notches on my respect-o-meter :thumbdown.

The way I see it, this incident is going to be an interesting and entertaining chapter of the saga that is the downfall of AMA/DMG. There certainly isn't anything interesting going on on the track, unless you think Buell wins are interesting :rolleyes.
 
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JRP did what the rulebook stated, & what everyone should do= HOLD your LINE. Back in the day when I raced and was up front, I just considered them "rolling pylons" & it was something you had to deal with EVERY race. We dealt with it, & I never complained to lapee's or the officials. It's a given there are going to be lappers every race -deal with it. A good rider should have no trouble getting around. A winner can use them to his advantage.

AL & DMG sucks, we all know that. Al was way out of line to JRP. Consider this, what if JRP had moved up the track to let them by, just as nutcase Yates went for the outside move.…& bingo was pushed off-track to hit the unprotected guardrail, & get's decapitated. Narley example yes, but perhaps you now see why the lapee should hold the line? You don't want the above example to happen= it's safer for all.

I remember when KR Sr. was complaining about all the "street bikes" in his way. I guess we should just pull everyone out of 102% of pole, & watch 8-10 bike rotate around in a parade....hmmm?
 
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