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Old 06-09-2010, 12:06 PM   #16
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Wrong. Excess speed negates your right of way.
This.

If he was speeding. And it certainly sounds like it. Likely a bad decision paid for at the ultimate price. 'Hope someone(s) learns from it so at least some good comes from it.
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Old 06-09-2010, 12:06 PM   #17
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Does it? Or does it not?





Of course, it depends... I'm in the camp that says, if you're significantly exceeding the limit, particularly on a motorcycle, you are at fault in an accident like this. I nearly killed a 916 rider a few years ago who was doing well over 100. I saw him in my rear view, wayyyyy behind me a lane over, plenty of room for me to change lanes, signaled and changed lanes, and he missed me by inches probably doing 130+. I was doing 80 and he passed me like I was standing still. That would have been 100 percent on him, IMO. The important part, obviously, is that it doesn't matter whose fault it was when you're lying in the graveyard.
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Old 06-09-2010, 12:09 PM   #18
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it depends...
Thats the correct answer.
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Old 06-09-2010, 12:14 PM   #19
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Wrong. Excess speed negates your right of way.
It doesn't. Just makes the fuck up by other party more deadly, and makes the speeder contributor to the accident.
Wouldn't have happened if he hadn't been travelling at a "high rate of speed".

The person who was turning left in front of him didn't see him because she was scanning for vehicles closer in, travelling at or near the speed limit, not someone coming from a distance at high speed.

He may only be a contributor, but his speed was the major contribution.

RIP and condolences to the person who he crashed into, most elderly teachers I know would have a hard time living with something like this.
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Old 06-09-2010, 12:19 PM   #20
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Right of way over an oncoming left-turner is NOT absolute. If speed is excessive, the vehicle going straight can be responsible for the crash. A few examples from Bay Area fatal crashes:
  • At 70 in a 45, motorcycle hit oncoming left-turner.
  • At 70 in a 40, motorcycle hit vehicle turning left from cross street on the right.
  • At 64 in a 40, motorcycle hit oncoming left-turner.
  • At 60 in a 25, motorcycle hit vehicle backing out of driveway.
  • At 75 in a 45 after a blind curve, motorcycle hit oncoming vehicle turning into driveway.
  • At 80 in a 40, motorcycle hit oncoming left-turner.
  • At 61 in a 40, motorcycle hit car crossing from stop sign on right.
The law aside, a motorcyclist cannot expect a driver to judge his speed accurately. Moving directly toward an observer, the motorcycle is just a small, stationary point in the visual field. The cue for speed is increasing apparent size, but because it's small, the motorcycle doesn't grow appreciably until it gets very close.
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Old 06-09-2010, 12:19 PM   #21
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Don't know what "high rate of speed" is...but it is safe to say, the kid was going way too fast.

If the kid hadn't been speeding it is very unlikely he would be dead now.

It doesn't make any difference who is found wrong or to what percentage wrong is assigned. The kid is dead. It would be better if the kid wasn't dead.

Right or wrong alive.

No one will learn, they haven't yet.

People slam into others every day, even people doing the speed limit do it. Some are Car vs Car.
It doesn't take being on a bike to not be seen.

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Old 06-09-2010, 12:20 PM   #22
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Wouldn't have happened if he hadn't been travelling at a "high rate of speed".

The person who was turning left in front of him didn't see him because she was scanning for vehicles closer in, travelling at or near the speed limit, not someone coming from a distance at high speed.
What are you a mind reader?

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Old 06-09-2010, 12:24 PM   #23
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Old 06-09-2010, 12:27 PM   #24
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Sorry to hear this. I hope the rider's family does not blame the driver. She probably feels pretty bad about it. If he was speeding, it probably made a very difficult visual target for her.

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Every teacher I know would be mortified and heart broken to have been involved in a young man's death.


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So he was traveling South Mt. Eden High school would have been on his right. The senior driver was turning left in to it. Sounds like she didn't respect his right of way and turned right in front of him. He slammed on the brakes and plowed in to a car.
Or he was speeding and she did not even see him.
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Old 06-09-2010, 12:34 PM   #28
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Old 06-09-2010, 12:40 PM   #29
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Or he was speeding and she did not even see him.
If there was a blind turn or something then sure, but look at google maps field of vision is pretty clear: link So why didn't she see him? Poor vision, distracted by something?

Too often the "I didn't see him." is treated as a valid excuse, when it should be treated as admission of guilt or partial responsibility for the accident.
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Old 06-09-2010, 12:44 PM   #30
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I think we go around and around about who is at fault but riders better expect an old lady might turn right in front of you at any time.
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