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Old 11-14-2017, 08:49 PM   #16
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200 perfect bike for up here IMO. Torquey, light, gwar-friendly

My apologies for not directly answering your question.
I heard a rumor Beta will make a 200 in their 125 chassis.
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Old 11-14-2017, 10:05 PM   #17
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I've spent some time on a KTM 150. It is a TON of work to go at a moderate pace. You rev the crap out of it, feel all racey, and really, you are barely moving. If you love that sound and ringing the crap out of an engine, this could be fun.

For me, it was fun for about 15 minutes. Then it became too much work.

That Sherco is beautiful! But trying to go up those nasty red square rocks at Cow Mountain on that? No thanks!

I've also spent a good amount of time on a KTM 200. Wow, those 50cc make a huge difference (compared to a 150). A 200 can be fun, and you feel torque, and you can get a bit lazy.
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Old 11-15-2017, 08:46 AM   #18
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I heard a rumor Beta will make a 200 in their 125 chassis.
That would be a no-brainer IMO. Had three Beta's between the Wife and I, well built bikes .

We both have 07' 200 (KTM) as 07' is the last year the 200 was in the 125 chassis. Absolutely love it, and I'm 6 2" 210 lbs rider weight.
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Old 11-15-2017, 08:37 PM   #19
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I rode a KTM 200 briefly and of course raced the shit out of my KDX200s. What intrigues me is something truly small and light, without any of the big bike reciprocating mass. Something just above the Superminis, with smooth power and 18/21 wheels.
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Old 11-17-2017, 05:19 PM   #20
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I've spent some time on a KTM 150. It is a TON of work to go at a moderate pace. You rev the crap out of it, feel all racey, and really, you are barely moving. If you love that sound and ringing the crap out of an engine, this could be fun.

For me, it was fun for about 15 minutes. Then it became too much work.

That Sherco is beautiful! But trying to go up those nasty red square rocks at Cow Mountain on that? No thanks!

I've also spent a good amount of time on a KTM 200. Wow, those 50cc make a huge difference (compared to a 150). A 200 can be fun, and you feel torque, and you can get a bit lazy.
Wow. This has not been my experience at all with riding the Husky 125's, 144's, and the 165's. Quite the opposite, in fact. I've ridden 5 other small Huskys besides mine and all of them had healthy bottom and mid, even the wicked-fun and lightning-fast CR125 MX'er had more grunt than I would have expected. I've never ridden the KTM 150 so maybe it's just that particular marque?

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I rode a KTM 200 briefly and of course raced the shit out of my KDX200s. What intrigues me is something truly small and light, without any of the big bike reciprocating mass. Something just above the Superminis, with smooth power and 18/21 wheels.
You need to take my Husky for a ride. I've ridden 4 different KTM 200's (and 3 or 4 KDX's) and they all felt like trucks compared to my WR. The motors are great, I've just never been a fan of how they feel and turn. And that extends to my own KTM 450. I know what you mean about losing that big bike feel. The 200's are tiny by most standards, but there is a difference in the feel of the motors, for sure. Even with the 165 kit it still feels tiny with that zippy-pow-pow motor feel, not that momentum-carrying big motor feel. This is exactly what I was talking about when saying it was effortless to slow it down or make it change directions. My Husky feels lighter weight-wise than my last CR125 was, which was supposedly 197#, even though it's heavier than that. It certainly doesn't feel like it when I'm picking it up off the ground repeatedly

It feels like a bicycle, especially after hooliganizing the forests and deserts on my 610, and the reason is obvious...




Also, rock gardens are no issue whatsoever as far as motor goes. I can pick my way through anything on this bike. It's awfully tall for me so there is no dabbing going on, and there are times when it seems like it could actually use a little more weight to add some stability in the rough stuff, but I can die a happy woman if this is the last 2-stroke dirt bike I ever own...





I am sure all of the small European enduro bikes are great. I don't mean to say the Husky is the be-all get-all of enduro bikes. It's just the one that I have the most experience riding, and the one that I can say has brought me the most joy on a gnarly trail since I began riding. It makes me feel like Wonder Woman, and that's good enough for me




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Old 08-19-2018, 06:47 AM   #21
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GasGas is doing a 200 for the U.S. Unfortunately, it's just an underbore of the 250, not a down-sized bike. Worse, it has cut-rate components. Nonetheless, still interesting.

https://gasgas.com/us/enduro/548/95/ec-ranger-2019


Meanwhile, down under, Barry rides the Beata...


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Old 08-19-2018, 11:37 AM   #22
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They are just trying to swoop in on the perceived demand created when the Orange one was discontinued.
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Old 08-19-2018, 11:48 AM   #23
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FYI they will be bringing EC200 to the states late this year; that has all the better parts. The Ranger (ECR) has lower shelf stuff and is comparable to the X-trainer not the KTM 200 EXC.....it also comes in 200/300 cc. EC/XR come in 200/250/300.
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Old 08-19-2018, 09:14 PM   #24
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Beta has both 125cc and 200cc two strokes this coming year.

https://www.betausa.com/content/125-rr-2-stroke-0

https://www.betausa.com/content/200-rr-2-stroke

They share the chassis.
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Old 08-23-2018, 01:58 PM   #26
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Old 08-24-2018, 09:42 AM   #27
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So as someone looking to buy a 2 stroke trail bike in the near future...do the newer bikes like the upcoming Beta200 or a KTM 150 XCW offer that much more than say a used KTM 200 XCW for half the price? E-start seems nice but I don't see much else interesting?? Really wish I hadn't sold my KDX 200...
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Something like a five year old 200XCW has e-start. Not sure how far back you'd have to go to find one without e-start..? But, it's all about how you value your money. I'd buy used just because $8-$9k for a small bore 2t that's probably not any better than a $2500 yz250 is a tough pill to swallow at my current income.
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Something like a five year old 200XCW has e-start. Not sure how far back you'd have to go to find one without e-start..? But, it's all about how you value your money. I'd buy used just because $8-$9k for a small bore 2t that's probably not any better than a $2500 yz250 is a tough pill to swallow at my current income.
I've been looking at bikes under 3k...in norcal that buys something like a 2005-2009 ktm 200 without e-start. The last few KDXs were asking 2.5k, so I don't know what's going on with the used market. My absolute limit for a used bike would be around 4k, after that it makes more sense to buy new for me personally.

Kids just started riding so I just need something to putt around on. Trying to stick to 2 strokes for now. How do the YZ 250's fit with that? Are the new X models better for that with the gearing?

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According to Wikipedia the KTM 200 didn't get electric start until 2013.
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