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Old 11-08-2018, 10:35 PM   #151
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i canít even imagine how i would react if someone murdered my child. Ďhell hath no furyí doesnít even begin to describe it. you want your guns? serious question for you - as fucking furious as i am, do you want me armed too? and if you say yes, you may want to think twice about that.
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Old 11-08-2018, 11:06 PM   #152
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i canít even imagine how i would react if someone murdered my child. Ďhell hath no furyí doesnít even begin to describe it. you want your guns? serious question for you - as fucking furious as i am, do you want me armed too? and if you say yes, you may want to think twice about that.
No mentally unstable person would ever risk the wrath of your self aggrandizing fury, just for the chance to shoot a bunch of strangers before killing themselves!
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Old 11-08-2018, 11:33 PM   #153
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Shitty people will always find ways to kill people if that is what they want. That is a fact.

You can take all the guns away or all the cars or all the spoons. Someone somewhere will still get it done.


So lets not keep beating the horse. IT SUCKS people kill people, that is the world we live in now. It isn't going to change anytime soon because a lot of people think so little of one another. Best you can do is either prepare yourself for the worst and be scared everyday or, keep on keeping on.

Do you live in fear that a drunk driver is going to T-bone you every time you go through a intersection? Probably not, even though it is 1000X more likely to happen. The world can suck but are you going to let it cripple you, is the question.
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Old 11-08-2018, 11:37 PM   #154
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i canít even imagine how i would react if someone murdered my child. Ďhell hath no furyí doesnít even begin to describe it. you want your guns? serious question for you - as fucking furious as i am, do you want me armed too? and if you say yes, you may want to think twice about that.
But what if your child was stabbed? Should we make sure you can't access a blade? The tool used to kill your child makes no fucking difference.
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Old 11-08-2018, 11:40 PM   #155
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I've seen a lot of these discussions on the interwebs over the last few years and I must say this one is the most civilized I have seen. A lot of good points brought up. Glad you all can discuss this without slinging too much poo around.
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Old 11-08-2018, 11:45 PM   #156
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Old 11-09-2018, 12:10 AM   #157
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But what if your child was stabbed? Should we make sure you can't access a blade? The tool used to kill your child makes no fucking difference.
keep telling yourself that dude, if it helps you sleep at night. you know what it means when a person has clenched their jaw. right? consider mine clenched.
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Old 11-09-2018, 12:50 AM   #158
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No mentally unstable person would ever risk the wrath of your self aggrandizing fury, just for the chance to shoot a bunch of strangers before killing themselves!
so let me get this clear, you consider it self aggrandizing to rage on anyone who murders your child? or the circumstances that made that possible?

donít beat around the fucking bush. state your purpose.
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Old 11-09-2018, 01:41 AM   #159
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That's a lot of aggression. We are all on the same side here. Lets be nice.
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Old 11-09-2018, 01:53 AM   #160
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That looks like an administrative code, not an enforceable code. I suppose, if a permit holder violated a restriction listed on the permit, they could possibly be charged with crimes of carrying concealed and/or loaded firearms, just like a non-permit holder would be charged with.
*Shrugs*

Scare tactic used by instructors maybe. The guy who does the classes I attended goes over it in detail.
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Old 11-09-2018, 06:22 AM   #161
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My favorite is when people start out with, "the problem is...", because that's how you know to tune out. There is no, "the problem". It's all the things. Access contributes to some shootings, mental health contributes to some shootings, social aspects contribute to some shootings, parenting contributes to some shootings, media contributes to some shootings, economics contributes to some shootings, or any combination of these things and other things...it's enormously complex. Not only do you have to recognize these things, but you have to be willing to put in the money and effort to address them, then you need to be patient, because it's going to take at least a decade before you get any feedback. The only thing we're currently willing to do involves half some assed cherry picking efforts that are really used as a proxy fights for some other partisan agenda, we don't actually care about the big picture.
You make some very good points; but just look at what we did with Smoking in the US, there was data collected, and lawsuits which funded the anti-smoking campaign. Those efforts drastically changed our attitude toward cigarettes , the same could be done for gun safety. Educating people on how to properly store a gun, or to turn in violent people who own guns, etc.

A big part of the problem is the tight grip of the NRA on politicians nuts; they will not even allow the data to be collected. It's disgusting.
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Old 11-09-2018, 06:48 AM   #162
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i can’t even imagine how i would react if someone murdered my child. ‘hell hath no fury’ doesn’t even begin to describe it. you want your guns? serious question for you - as fucking furious as i am, do you want me armed too? and if you say yes, you may want to think twice about that.
Yes, I want to be armed anywhere I go. My self defense is on me, no one else. No need to think twice.

And because you can’t control your emotions, yes you don’t need a gun in your possession just like this shooter should not have had any guns in his possession.

You maybe ok being shot unarmed, but I’m not.

You maybe ok with running and hiding hoping not to be shot, but I’m not. If I’m gonna die, I want to go down fighting. I want to be able to shoot back.

It appears most folks are taking the point of view that they will never be in a mass shooting situation......just like those who died in that bar. Guess what.....you never know what’s gonna happen......never.

I could really care less about why someone does mass shootings. I care about defending myself and others,when and if needed,from a mass shooter......cause they can happen anywhere and anytime.

Guns can take life, guns can give life........it all depends on how a gun is used.
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Old 11-09-2018, 07:01 AM   #163
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I would love to have some ccw in santa clara county, but that's something that'll never happen. From what I've read, the current sherriff is pay to play for CCW
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Old 11-09-2018, 07:04 AM   #164
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Yes, I want to be armed anywhere I go. My self defense is on me, no one else. No need to think twice.
Must be awful, living in constant fear.
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Old 11-09-2018, 07:22 AM   #165
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My favorite is when people start out with, "the problem is...", because that's how you know to tune out. There is no, "the problem". It's all the things. Access contributes to some shootings, mental health contributes to some shootings, social aspects contribute to some shootings, parenting contributes to some shootings, media contributes to some shootings, economics contributes to some shootings, or any combination of these things and other things...it's enormously complex. Not only do you have to recognize these things, but you have to be willing to put in the money and effort to address them, then you need to be patient, because it's going to take at least a decade before you get any feedback. The only thing we're currently willing to do involves half some assed cherry picking efforts that are really used as a proxy fights for some other partisan agenda, we don't actually care about the big picture.
I think this post reflects how I view the overall issue. There isn't a single motive or impetus for these tragic events. There is some overlap, each one is not uniquely singular, but I think it's wrong to just look at the tool used. I believe it detracts from finding true solutions.
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