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Old 05-26-2018, 02:55 PM   #91
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Old 05-26-2018, 05:17 PM   #92
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Thanks for the info guys. Sorry to hijack the thread--I'm new and couldn't start a new one.
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Old 05-26-2018, 05:57 PM   #93
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Thanks for the info guys. Sorry to hijack the thread--I'm new and couldn't start a new one.
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Old 05-26-2018, 06:21 PM   #94
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Whammy seconds the idea of a "Get the Gear " thread.
Best to inform our noobs or re-educate those who don't take their gear serious enough.

I never go near a bike with out gear.
Whammy sez buy the very best for your budget. For god sakes never ever ride without gear.
An easy lesson for anyone considering riding without gear...just enter "motorcycle road rash" into Youtube or Google images. If that doesn't give one pause, they are missing some marbles.
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Old 05-26-2018, 06:36 PM   #95
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Maybe in the thread we should have some pics of rash and missing chunks of flesh.
Deturent ??
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Old 05-26-2018, 06:48 PM   #96
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Deterrent?

FWIW, there's a thread here on teh BARFs showing road rash. Not for the faint of heart.

Plus, there's the story of the guy that was drunk and took his girlfriend for a ride, popped a wheelie, dumped her off the back, and got me suspended.
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Old 05-26-2018, 06:52 PM   #97
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Old 05-26-2018, 09:48 PM   #98
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And what about boots, pants, jackets & helmets?
You can get an idea of how well various gear items protect from injury here
https://www.georgeinstitute.org/site...gear-study.pdf

It's a survey of motorcycle accidents, injuries and gear worn. It's not perfect as far as establishing how much different items of gear reduce injury, but it's the best I've seen.

From that study, wearing any boots (motorcycle or the other kind) seems much safer than not wearing boots at all, wearing any helmet (open or FF) is much safer than helmetless, wearing armored gloves is much safer than no gloves, wearing armored motorcycle pants is much safer than not wearing motorcycle pants (unarmored motorcycle pants seem to do much less to protect from injury).

The surprising part is riders with a foam back insert were twice as likely to sustain injury than with no back protection at all. OTOH those with a real back protector were slightly less likely to sustain injury than those with no back protector.

That doesn't establish that foam back pads cause injury. But it makes you wonder. I can make a good guess where higher injury rate among foam back pad users comes from.

Anyway back to the topic, 67% of riders without gloves sustained injury vs 35% of riders with armored gloves. It makes proper motorcycle gloves look pretty compelling.
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Back protectors don't prevent your back from contorting into a shape that can damage it.
But then neither do knee or elbow protection but limbs seem to be the body parts that absorb crash impacts.
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Old 05-27-2018, 08:29 AM   #100
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It's the squids that wear a back protector over their wife-beaters that seem to be the disparity. Most riders that wear gear have gear that integrates a back protector of some sort. So you can have a preponderance of back protectors out there and still have other injuries.

And FWIW, a massive collision won't be prevented by a back protector.
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Old 05-28-2018, 06:25 AM   #101
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Old 05-31-2018, 12:57 PM   #102
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You can get an idea of how well various gear items protect from injury here
https://www.georgeinstitute.org/site...gear-study.pdf

It's a survey of motorcycle accidents, injuries and gear worn. It's not perfect as far as establishing how much different items of gear reduce injury, but it's the best I've seen.

From that study, wearing any boots (motorcycle or the other kind) seems much safer than not wearing boots at all, wearing any helmet (open or FF) is much safer than helmetless, wearing armored gloves is much safer than no gloves, wearing armored motorcycle pants is much safer than not wearing motorcycle pants (unarmored motorcycle pants seem to do much less to protect from injury).

The surprising part is riders with a foam back insert were twice as likely to sustain injury than with no back protection at all. OTOH those with a real back protector were slightly less likely to sustain injury than those with no back protector.

That doesn't establish that foam back pads cause injury. But it makes you wonder. I can make a good guess where higher injury rate among foam back pad users comes from.

Anyway back to the topic, 67% of riders without gloves sustained injury vs 35% of riders with armored gloves. It makes proper motorcycle gloves look pretty compelling.

Gear does not make anyone a superhero but also consider your researchers can only analyze the data that is reported. Just like crime, there are many unreported "get offs" that do not involve medical or police reports because people walk away and failed to report. The data is going to be a bit skewed because it will only include people injured enough that medical attention or law enforcement was involved.

But I personally do not need a study. I have fallen off 4 times over the past 30 years and the only reason I have all of my skin, brain cells etc. is because I had full gear on. The outcomes would have been much worse without it.
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Old 05-31-2018, 04:46 PM   #103
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Even in my squid days, I never rode without gloves and a helmet. Anyone that rides without gloves needs to Google "degloving." That will cure it.
Can confirm. Googling "degloving" is not for the faint of heart. After learning about it, I no longer wear my wedding rings on the bike. My other half and I both wear silicone rings instead and have come to prefer them over our metal rings.
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