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Old 10-01-2018, 11:41 AM   #1
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2019 crf450l ??

Honda answers the call and drops the CRF450L. Super!
Wait wut, $10,399.....
Yikes, makes the 701 seem pretty reasonable now.
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Old 10-01-2018, 11:44 AM   #2
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I've been dropping by SF Moto to try to
catch one on the showroom floor ... Eric the parts guy
is buying one of SF Moto's allotment ...

they tell me they've sold all they can get and don't
expect to have one in the shop any length of time ...
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Old 10-01-2018, 03:00 PM   #3
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You know, there are going to be all kinds of folks comparing the internet specs to the a KTM 450 EXC-F and claims that Honda missed the mark. But personally, I think Honda may have hit this one out of the ballpark. Sales will be the ultimate indicator.... and as John has already eluded to.... I think they will be selling very well.

I'm really looking forward to getting a chance to ride one. Honda designed this to their own dual sport spec expectations (and many of their customers), not a ready to race bike with a plate.

As I suspected, and contrary to so much internet rumor, this bike is going to have very long service intervals. 30hrs for oil and filters, 32KM or 20K miles for piston and valves per their factory manual seen here:


youtu.be/nY6TMyP5-gg

So we are going to get an honest 40+ HP dual sport with long service intervals due to small details like a three ring piston, one that isnt going to need an aftermarket piggback back fuel tuner or black market ecu to run right, full on no compromise suspension, full robust subframe to handle racks or carry bags, street gear like a cush drive etc, and..... weighs only 290 lbs wet full of gas. Thats 30 lbs less than a DRZ400S its real competitor which it should blow away stock. Heck, its even a few lbs less than the WR250R.

Its 15 lbs heavier than the 2019 CRF450X which it is very closely based on. I suspect that there will be some significant opportunities for weight loss on the L version. How much will come down to how far and how much money an owner is willing to go. Some of the weight loss will come easy, some much more money. I'll be very curious to watch the threads as they develop over time on this.

This isnt going to be a bike for some one that is a competitive enduro rider or extreme single track hero. For those guys, the 20-25 extra pounds mean something, and they will spend the time and money to modify and maintain their plated ready to race machines. I'm somebody those machines appeal to and not afraid to open up engines on a regular basis.

I suspect for a great many folks though, this is exactly what they need and are looking for. A more powerful and lighter alternative to a DRZ400S. And frankly for most folks out on trails will keep right up to the ready to race bikes without the maintenance schedule.
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Old 10-02-2018, 06:36 AM   #4
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while KTM likes to use 2 ring pistons, the WR450 uses a 3 ring piston (at least for 2018 and older), as does the YZ450F (again, 2018). I wonder why Yamaha likes 3 ring while the CRF450R and CRF450X are 2 ring.
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The only reason I have ever heard/read, and I am by no means an expert or engineer, is the two ring design offers less friction and therefore less parasitic loss of HP at higher rpms. Its only what I have read and plenty of three ring pistons seem to make competitive HP, the Yamaha being one of those.

I do remember in the 80's that there were some factory teams using a single ring piston on their two stroke 250's for that reason (they came with two rings stock.) The 125's only ever came with single rings to my knowledge. It was always accepted that the two ring on two strokes lasted longer. Fact or fiction, I dont know.

As for the Honda CRF450L, the three ring piston design was included in a list of modifications to the motor made to increase longevity by a Honda rep in a video I watched.
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Old 10-02-2018, 02:20 PM   #6
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Old 10-11-2018, 01:31 PM   #7
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SFMoto has one on the showroom floor!
... been stopping by once a week since September,
and today was the day ...





... looks like a dirt-bike to me!
... my mechanic friend who works there was
looking at it with me and mentioned in an off-hand way
that it has dirt bike service intervals ...
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What does one have to pay to get one?
$11K?
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Old 10-11-2018, 01:45 PM   #9
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What does one have to pay to get one?
$11K?
... so in SF the otd price is maybe $12,328 ...
they say they got two and one sold to
a customer right away and this one is
still available ...

they asked me if I was a buyer and
had to say I couldn't afford a five-figure dirt bike ...
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Old 10-11-2018, 01:56 PM   #10
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Good looking bike. I hope is does well for folks.
What's that good looking bike behind it?
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... so in SF the otd price is maybe $12,328 ...
they say they got two and one sold to
a customer right away and this one is
still available ...

they asked me if I was a buyer and
had to say I couldn't afford a five-figure dirt bike ...
Good lord.
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