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Old 07-19-2014, 09:28 AM   #1
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Flat Track Racing Mega Thread - INCLUDES SPOILERS!

Since FT is usually just discussed by me and some other gray hairs, I'd thought I'd start one big thread for discussion of everything flat track: pro and amateur races, the racers, history, rumors, technique and how to get a taste of flat track as a racer or spectator. With the AMA Pro Flat Track series (two classes) and three active series in Northern California (AMA District 36, California Flat Track Association and NorCal Short Track), there is no shortage of opportunities to race or spectate. We're also lucky to have a few practice tracks along with Flat Track schools such as California Supermoto Schools FT classes, Rich Oliver's Mystery School, Garrett Willis's Grab-a-Handful classes and American Supercamps visits to the Northern California area.

FT is doing well from grass roots to the pros.

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Old 07-19-2014, 10:42 PM   #2
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Maybe here is the right place to ask why flat track is not just the two-wheeled version of NASCAR? Round and round, always turning left... Some insight into its nuances (which I guess it must have) might make a good start for the thread and help me understand what it is that I'm missing
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Old 07-20-2014, 12:04 AM   #3
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If you want to see 4 or more guys drafting each other into a flat dirt turn at 130+mph, on 300+lbs. motorcycles, elbow to elbow every lap! then you watch dirt track. When done right, it's one of the most beautiful forms of racing.
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Old 07-20-2014, 01:22 AM   #4
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So, is it the finesse needed given low traction? Other than equipment, is it pretty much like speedway, or is the technique different?
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its def like Speedway, just bigger and longer generally, faster on some tracks too. the differences in machinery probably impact the skill set, but i wouldnt be surprised if a pro from either Speedway or FT wasnt awesome at both.

on the surface, FT is def like NASCAR. but there are so many actual differences that the two arent really comparable. the main differences for me are limited traction, sprint distance races, and the heat/semi/main race structure.... oh and half the wheels
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Old 07-20-2014, 12:23 PM   #6
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Thank you. Let me ask about technique now (or physics?) I understand why the front wheel is tracking away from the direction of the turn as the rear is sliding

(same as with four wheels)


Is this related to why the riders are "on top of the bike" (leaning the bike under them) rather than hanging off (leaning "under" the bike)?
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Old 07-20-2014, 03:39 PM   #7
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Speedway you back off to accelerate, quite different from flat track.
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Old 07-20-2014, 04:01 PM   #8
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I love the flat track stuff. Wish I took some time to try it when I was in my youth.

It is a mix of balance and traction that is unique in the 2 wheel sport.

For those have never really paid attention I would suggest watching "On any Sunday".
It really does a good job of getting the vibe of the series and it remains so close in terms of technique and equipment. Of most of the two wheel racing series it is probably the most unchanged. Trials and speedway are similar, but neither involve the elbow to elbow action at speeds above 100mph that flat track does.

Plus add the stars of our sport that found their roots in FT or simply made a good career from doing it and you have something very very unique.

Sliding a bike is really a cool feeling. Doing it with 10 of your good friends within 10' and at more than legal speeds is the bomb!!
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Enrique, when you get over here again, go do a camp at Rich Oliver's. And if you don't think it's the real deal, check out the track that Rossi has put in, or the event in Spain last winter that Marquez competed in. If those guys think it's the real deal, maybe there's something to it.


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The best racing I've ever seen in the flesh, ever, has been flat track. They're bringing back the Calistoga Half Mile this year. Check it out.


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Seeing Stevie Bonsey win it upon its return as a treat.
1/2 miles are a great combo of speed and finesse week within the fans eyesight.
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Seeing Stevie Bonsey win it upon its return as a treat.
1/2 miles are a great combo of speed and finesse week within the fans eyesight.

there've been only 2 recent Calistoga events - 2010 & 2011

tho' Dennis Pearson prepared both years' racing surfaces, they were quite different - the first year was extremely tacky & somewhat banked, meaning the racers were W-A-Y into T1 & T3 before backing off

the 2nd year, the flattened dirt was more normal, even slick in places

this means that no one has any idea yet what it'll be like this time, which evens the field & increases the excitement for the Final
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BOOM !!

Marquez & Baker - Dirt Track rematch in December

"......Somehow, back in January, the fight for the #1 dirt tracker finished inconclusively, as Márquez fell following a contact with Baker, two laps before the end of the race, handing the victory to the US rider.

In front of 8.000 spectators, after shaking hands, Brad Baker and Marc Márquez agreed for a second edition of the Superprestigio Dirt Track with the aim to have another try of that unfinished Fina
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Maybe here is the right place to ask why flat track is not just the two-wheeled version of NASCAR? Round and round, always turning left... Some insight into its nuances (which I guess it must have) might make a good start for the thread and help me understand what it is that I'm missing
Try to remember back to the days before traction control, it was flat track racing that produced world champion roadracers Kenny Roberts, Freddie Spencer, Eddie Lawson, Wayne Rainey, Kevin Schwantz, KRJR, and John Kocinski.

I'll say you missed something....
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a pair of "Cycle World" blurbs on last weekend's AMA Pro 'short' 1/2-Mile in WA:

Round #5 Race Report – Grays Harbor

http://www.cycleworld.com/2014/07/20...-harbor-video/


Clay track scootin’ in the Pacific Northwest

http://www.cycleworld.com/2014/07/21...way-half-mile/


The Sacramento Mile is this coming Sat nite !!
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