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Old 11-15-2017, 05:06 PM   #31
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In Gagne's case he got to chose from being irrelevant in MA or SBk, so i'd say he made the right choice. I'd much rather be irrelevant traveling the world and riding motorcycles, than being stuck in the US traveling to shit towns and cities, whilst being irrelevant riding motorcycles.

I'd imagine he's also making more money, which doesn't hurt.

I really wish the best for Gagne/Jacobsen and hope to the lil baby jesus that I'm wrong.
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Old 11-15-2017, 09:29 PM   #32
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I'm excited for him. The good side of the new Honda is that its been out there for a full season- and people know it sucks. Nicky nor Bradll- two world champs, aside from Nicky's win in the rain, coulnd't get that thing on the podium unless they got crashed onto it. So if Jake gets even decent results, it'll say good things about his abilities to those in the paddock. Also, hopefully he gets some rain races- he seems to do well in them. And he's a really nice guy, and we need some American blood on the world stage.


I'm gonna stay on the more optimistic side of this Honda deal.

But yeah- the Americans on the world stage are really behind the 8 ball with their equipment, sadly.
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Old 11-17-2017, 02:49 AM   #33
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Loris Baz back in SBK on the Athleta BMW.

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Anyone ever read Vonegut's Harrison Bergeron? It's one of my favorite stories ever.

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Some WSBK teams are testing at Jerez this week.

Yonny Hernadez is riding a Pedercini Kawasaki. Apparently he's been signed to race WSBK for them next season.
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Old 11-20-2017, 03:47 PM   #36
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Kawasaki already working on their RPM ceiling. It'll be interesting as to what they come up with for next year.
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fuckin Yonny. that guy's Colombian $$ is worth a lot in any paddock.
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i seriously wonder if yonny has any connections to the cartels. what is his family background? racing isnt cheap and Columbia isnt exactly the wealthiest country in the world.
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Old 11-20-2017, 07:42 PM   #39
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Not enough money to keep his seat at Avintia in MotoGP. Half a season of Moto2 with a team that eventually folded due to financial issues and now a privateer WSBK team that had three different riders last season. I'm not sure Yonny is bringing much money.

Leandro Mercado is from Argentina and regularly finishes in the top 10 so Yonny is not getting the seat because WSBK needs a South American. I'm guessing he is living out of suitcase with a few sponsors helping him Ant West-style.
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Old 11-21-2017, 03:41 PM   #41
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i just read the updated WSBK provisional regulations cuz . theres one big change in there now... concession parts.

a concession part is a homologated upgrade part. teams must use that part or the OEM part. this mostly applies to engine parts, but also some chassis parts. this does not apply to software in any way. so at the beginning of the year, all ZX10RRs will be using the same camshafts, valve springs, velocity stacks, ported cylinder head, etc, since no one will use the OEM parts. swingarms and triples are also on the concession parts list and i suspect that all teams will be using those too. the swingarm price cap is 10k EU, ugh.

concession parts may not be changed or updated during the year except for the following circumstances. points are given to a factory based on podium finished, 3 for 1st, 1 for 3rd. after 3 races, any factory that has 9pts less than the most can update their parts once. at the end of the year, any factory that has 36pts less than the most can update their parts once more. this is pretty much an hardware development freeze for Kawi and Duc. and it spans years too, so Kawi wont be able to update anything until they produce a new ZX10RR.

concession parts are WSBK's response to two problems, factory unobtainium and factory development. it spreads the unobtainium around, forcing factories to run on the same stuff as supplied to their private teams. it also gives an effective engine freeze to the top factories while allowing the slower factories to still do some development. this also makes the manufacturer-dependent rev-limit seem less ridiculous. Perdecini wont be seriously handicapped by the Kawi rev-limit because theyll be effectively using the same engines.

i do see some drawbacks to this though:
- concession parts do nothing to slow Kawi down. theyll still be fastest from round 1. and this technically makes it more difficult for other teams to catch up. MV cant make 5 swingarms to fix an issue. in practice, MV probably never tried that so it might not matter. but now they really cant.
- costs wont come down for anyone except Kawi and Duc. the rest will still need to spend $$ to develop anything. Kawi and Duc will have plenty of $$ to develop better motors for their new rev-limit.
- if a swingarm linkage doesnt work for a certain rider, they are screwed. concession part or OEM, thats it. Kawi could end up making parts that only Rea can ride well.
- factory teams will have the same electronics advantage. they must provide their software 3x per year, but they can still hide settings, prevent teams from adjusting things, etc.

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Not enough money to keep his seat at Avintia in MotoGP. Half a season of Moto2 with a team that eventually folded due to financial issues and now a privateer WSBK team that had three different riders last season. I'm not sure Yonny is bringing much money.

Leandro Mercado is from Argentina and regularly finishes in the top 10 so Yonny is not getting the seat because WSBK needs a South American. I'm guessing he is living out of suitcase with a few sponsors helping him Ant West-style.
i suspect that Karel was able to fill the financial hole from Yonny leaving. Aspar btw.

the Moto2 team folded AFTER Yonny left. maybe his drug money never materialized, or maybe he took it with him .
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i suspect that Karel was able to fill the financial hole from Yonny leaving. Aspar btw.

the Moto2 team folded AFTER Yonny left. maybe his drug money never materialized, or maybe he took it with him .
Thanks for the correction. Hernandez did ride for Avintia previously though?

I know AGR folded after Yonny left. That kind of makes sense to me. He couldn't bring enough money so keeping him on the team didn't make any difference. If he was bringing big money, the team would have gone to extraordinary lengths to keep him. I doubt he has any connection to organized crime. The money he needs to race GP, Moto2 or as a privateer in WSBK is a rounding error for drug lords. If it was laundered money, he would have the best of everything.
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Old 11-23-2017, 04:55 AM   #43
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Anyone ever read Vonegut's Harrison Bergeron? It's one of my favorite stories ever.
i haven't. here's the PDF.
thanks for the mention.


and good on Loriz Baz ... he seems like a neat guy + entertaining save maven.


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i just read the updated WSBK provisional regulations ...
i do see some drawbacks to this though ...
thanks for this.

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Joe Roberts, who won the 2015 MotoAmerica Superstock 600 title, ended his first season in the CRV Moto2 Championship in Spain on Sunday, the 20-year-old Californian finishing third in Valencia to end the season ranked fifth. It was Roberts’ third podium of the season.
Roberts’ teammate and fellow Californian Jason Uribe finished eighth today and ended up 11th in the title chase. Uribe will return to the CEV Championship next year with the same team, AGR Racing.
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RoadracingWorld has a summary of Friday's final test times for the MotoGP, WSBK and BSB teams testing at Jerez this week, including a summary of all fast times for the week.

http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/...iday-at-jerez/

With the offseason truly setting in we can now have the annaul WSBK vs. MotoGP single-flying-lap-who-is-faster-even-though-its-ultimately-meaningess debate.

If that is too boring, we can discuss who has the coolest name in world championship motorcycle road racing. I'm trying to decide between Spanish WSS racer Nacho Colero (I didn't make that up), Italian WSS racer Federico Caricasulo and Spanish Moto2 racer Iker Lecuona.
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If that is too boring, we can discuss who has the coolest name in world championship motorcycle road racing. I'm trying to decide between Spanish WSS racer Nacho Colero (I didn't make that up), Italian WSS racer Federico Caricasulo and Spanish Moto2 racer Iker Lecuona.
only contemporary road racing? i've always been partial to Heikki Mikkola. arguing stud status between MotoGP and Motocross could be entertaining.

1- Iker Lecuona
2 - Federico Caricasulo
3 - Nacho Calero

to bad there are no Icelandic racers(are there?). they have crazy cakes names in Iceland. feminine and masculine surname suffixes and all that wildness.
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