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Old 04-16-2018, 11:20 AM   #16
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I started out in C group in the morning and moved up to B after lunch. In C I was only able to manage about a 1:25-1:30 and felt constantly held up, in B was right around 1:15-1:20 and it felt middle of the road for pace.

EDIT: for the full west course I run 1:35-1:40 in B, only done the east course a couple times and run around 2:20-2:30.

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Old 04-16-2018, 11:37 AM   #17
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I started out in C group in the morning and moved up to B after lunch. In C I was only able to manage about a 1:25-1:30 and felt constantly held up, in B was right around 1:15-1:20 and it felt middle of the road for pace.
As someone who bumped from C, did you feel confident setting up to pass people or did you hang back or pit?
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Old 04-16-2018, 11:45 AM   #18
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As someone who bumped from C, did you feel confident setting up to pass people or did you hang back or pit?
Felt fairly confident, but I take a rather slow approach to passing. Usually set up and follow someone for a few corners to get a feel for the line they're running, but on the west with the bypass a few corners can be half a lap.

B felt miles safer than C group. I've got some gopro footage of about 15 bikes 3 wide going into turn 4. I stayed back from that scrum.

I've run B several times on the west before, was coming back from a crash and broken collarbone last year and wanted to take it easy.
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There is a very concrete answer to my question. I'm just asking for your experience at the track. Unclear to me why that's not a contribution folks want to make.
Ok, in a sense you're right. There is an answer to your question. The issue is that your question doesn't mean much in a trackday environment because of the different bikes and skill sets on the track together. Most people follow the trackday provider's recommendations for lap times and grouping.

To answer your question..... I ride a crippled R6 and turn 2:03-2:05s on the big track in A group. I am comfortable making passes in any group. I generally don't pass underneath at trackdays because I don't want to wash someone out at what is essentially a practice/fun event. I'll usually save passes for the outside of 2/3/5b or on the brakes into 9/10/14.

I don't like the West track and have never timed myself around that track.
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Ok, in a sense you're right. There is an answer to your question. The issue is that your question doesn't mean much in a trackday environment because of the different bikes and skill sets on the track together. Most people follow the trackday provider's recommendations for lap times and grouping.

To answer your question..... I ride a crippled R6 and turn 2:03-2:05s on the big track in A group. I am comfortable making passes in any group. I generally don't pass underneath at trackdays because I don't want to wash someone out at what is essentially a practice/fun event. I'll usually save passes for the outside of 2/3/5b or on the brakes into 9/10/14.

I don't like the West track and have never timed myself around that track.
You don't pass on the throttle on the front straight?
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Old 04-16-2018, 05:04 PM   #23
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Ok, in a sense you're right. There is an answer to your question. The issue is that your question doesn't mean much in a trackday environment because of the different bikes and skill sets on the track together. Most people follow the trackday provider's recommendations for lap times and grouping.

To answer your question..... I ride a crippled R6 and turn 2:03-2:05s on the big track in A group. I am comfortable making passes in any group. I generally don't pass underneath at trackdays because I don't want to wash someone out at what is essentially a practice/fun event. I'll usually save passes for the outside of 2/3/5b or on the brakes into 9/10/14.

I don't like the West track and have never timed myself around that track.
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Old 04-16-2018, 06:07 PM   #24
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To answer your question..... I ride a crippled R6 and turn 2:03-2:05s on the big track in A group. I am comfortable making passes in any group. I generally don't pass underneath at trackdays because I don't want to wash someone out at what is essentially a practice/fun event. I'll usually save passes for the outside of 2/3/5b or on the brakes into 9/10/14.

I don't like the West track and have never timed myself around that track.
Pretty much everything is same for me, with a difference in laptimes and motorcycle, I do ~1:57-1:59 around east on stock RSV4R. In addition to what Nick mentioned above, I pass a lot on outside of 1 and inside before 8. And I don't like west too.

Not sure why you need this kind of a detailed info to make decision which group to ride in, but on any given track day any of us can be a fastest guy out there or be a moving obstacle, so you have to be able to make that call and ride in an appropriate to your pace group.

Hope this helps somehow.

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Pretty much everything is same for me, with a difference in laptimes and motorcycle, I do ~1:57-1:59 around east on stock RSV4R. In addition to what Nick mentioned above, I pass a lot on outside of 1 and inside before 8. And I don't like west too.

Not sure why you need this kind of a detailed info to make decision which group to ride in, but on any given track day any of us can be a fastest guy out there or a be a moving obstacle, so you have to be able to make that call and ride in an appropriate to your pace group.

Hope this helps somehow.
Nobody really *needs* anything, all just curiosity and making informed decisions as I get back into the scene. I hear your point on adjusting groups mid-day, been on both sides of the fence.
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You don't pass on the throttle on the front straight?
Only on the Ninjettes in the 450SB race since we’re gridded with 250SS and 300WSS! Or the bicycles and Razor scooters in pit lane.
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Only on the Ninjettes in the 450SB race since we’re gridded with 250SS and 300WSS! Or the bicycles and Razor scooters in pit lane.
I remember those glory days, when Vintage gridded with 250 Proddy and after four laps we Vintage guys would start lapping the twofiddies.
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Old 04-17-2018, 08:12 PM   #28
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3/30/18 on East I ran 2:17 on my SV650 in B group

4/15/18 on West Reverse I ran 1:15 in light rain in B-group on the same bike..

I signed up for A group next time.. Kegwins next Monday and FTD in May, both West Reverse.

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Old 04-18-2018, 05:34 PM   #29
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I started out in C group in the morning and moved up to B after lunch. In C I was only able to manage about a 1:25-1:30 and felt constantly held up, in B was right around 1:15-1:20 and it felt middle of the road for pace.

EDIT: for the full west course I run 1:35-1:40 in B, only done the east course a couple times and run around 2:20-2:30.

Running Bridgestone S21's on a ZX6R.
Just wondering, what were your lap times on Sunday (reverse)? I was only there on Sunday and wondering if I should have moved up as most of my time was spent figuring out how to get around people, but there were also a few quicker guys out there too. I was running 1:28's in the morning on my SV650 and 1:24's on my DRZ400SM in the afternoon. Both bikes on PP 2CT's.
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3/30/18 on East I ran 2:17 on my SV650 in B group

4/15/18 on West Reverse I ran 1:15 in light rain in B-group on the same bike..

I signed up for A group next time.. Kegwins next Monday and FTD in May, both West Reverse.
Just a heads up - Keigwins is running West Reverse on Sunday. Monday and Tuesday are on the East w/ Ken Hill.
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