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Old 07-30-2016, 04:39 PM   #46
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In this video, the motorcyclist's right of way was clearly violated by the driver turning left from the driveway on the left. To make matters worse, the driver left the scene but was identified and arrested a few days later:



Notice the view obstruction, the pickup coming to a stop in the oncoming lane. At a crucial point in his approach, the rider's view to the threat crossing from his left was blocked. By the time his view opened up, it was too late for anything but emergency braking.

Intersection is here (Google Maps link) in Bridgewater, MA.
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Old 08-01-2016, 03:57 PM   #47
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I don't find that there is such a thing as "hidden Hazards".

There are oblivious drivers riders.
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Old 08-01-2016, 04:09 PM   #48
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You have XRay vision huh.??

Come on Lou. Time to get real or I will remove you from 1Rider posting.
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Old 08-01-2016, 06:01 PM   #49
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You have XRay vision huh.??

Come on Lou. Time to get real or I will remove you from 1Rider posting.
Better remove me from 1Rider... Cause I like how my brain works as I ride.

Not changing to a way that doesn't work so well, to please those that don't understand.
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Old 08-01-2016, 06:09 PM   #50
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Better remove me from 1Rider..


Because he never reads the threads he posts in, he never quite gets what the discussion is about.

And thanks to the gift of senile dementia, he doesn't remember that he's already posted in the same thread a half-dozen times before--missing the mark every time.
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Old 08-03-2016, 08:45 AM   #51
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I don't find that there is such a thing as "hidden Hazards".

There are oblivious drivers riders.
So Lou, can you please help me better understand what Lou's strategy for this scenario would have been.

I can point out the easy that the rider locked up their brakes and lost control. But what is it from this video you would have done different so that that car turning left didn't turn left or wasn't there.

I understand you are Lou the Magnificent, and I'm Eric the Pretty Darn Good, so please, help me up my level to Damn Good.

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Old 08-03-2016, 10:02 AM   #52
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So Lou, can you please help me better understand what Lou's strategy for this scenario would have been.
Install a Scotts damper maybe?
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Old 08-03-2016, 11:05 AM   #53
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I don't find that there is such a thing as "hidden Hazards".

There are oblivious drivers riders.
Didn't you almost get taken out by a deer that, luckily, jumped OVER your head while riding?

But maybe it wasn't a "hidden hazard" in your mind and it was YOUR skill that saved you rather than the deer's skill.
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Old 08-03-2016, 11:31 AM   #54
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Don't you guys know Lou is like the kid at the play ground that eats his own buggers. He'll keep eating his buggers as long as anyone will pay attention to him.
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Old 08-03-2016, 11:58 AM   #55
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hey guys, not to be disrespectful to you guys, but this thread is not about Lou or our thoughts about Lou. I am seriously trying to get an answer from him regarding this accident. He does have many skills which he has acquired over the years. I just want to hear which skill he would have utilized in this last scenario.

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Old 08-03-2016, 02:13 PM   #56
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The standard answer would be front brake and swerve.

The rider actually was able to swerve (albeit far too much with locked rear) and not make contact with the vehicle so a shallower swerve might indeed have worked...especially on a sportbike.

It almost looked like the rider did the old "lay her down" technique.
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Old 08-04-2016, 06:05 PM   #57
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The standard answer would be front brake and swerve.

The rider actually was able to swerve (albeit far too much with locked rear) and not make contact with the vehicle so a shallower swerve might indeed have worked...especially on a sportbike.

It almost looked like the rider did the old "lay her down" technique.
What it looked like to me was he had excessive speed trying to make the yellow light. When he saw the car, he then panic braked and slammed on the rear, causing a slide. That was not a controlled maneuver. Then he stayed on the rear brake all the way until the bike lowsided and he ran off the road.

I agree that proper maximum braking and a swerve towards the shoulder could have avoided making contact with the car and would not have ended up with him on the ground.

However, on the topic at hand, his first error in judgement was going through the intersection at that speed, especially with his view obstructed by the truck stopped at the light.
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Old 12-10-2016, 08:10 AM   #58
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In the OP, I include this example:

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  • Entering a freeway, a motorcyclist merged into the #4 lane behind a box truck, then merged into the #3. But traffic in the #3 was moving much slower, and he rear-ended another vehicle. The truck in the #4 had blocked his view to stalled traffic in the #3.
I call this a "blind-merge rear-ender". Though a description of the view obstruction seldom appears in news accounts, I suspect this situation is fairly common in otherwise inexplicable rear-enders.

In his thread France; Passing Blindly, NeilInPacifica links to video of a very nasty crash of this kind.

Impatience may tempt you to make a quick swerve to avoid a slowdown in your lane, but don't give in to the urge. If you're behind a vehicle you can't see over, around, or through, use following distance and lane position to open your view into the destination lane before making the move.
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In my view the rider was only partially culpable, as typically any vehicle making a left turn must make sure the roadway is clear to make that turn,in this instance the car driver was primarily the cause of the incident.He did not have a clear view of the road traffic coming from his right.

The rider was not using enough caution when approaching the intersection and traveling too fast trying to make the light.Don't be in a hurry while riding as this can cause accidents too as you are not properly taking care to anticipate what is ahead of you.

The riders lane positioning was poor,riding right down the middle of the lane,(grime.oil,debris) when he went to hit the brakes any resulting lockup over the poorest part of the road surface will be magnified.The fact that he still had the shoulder to easily manuever past the car and instead he locked it up,tells me his attention was elsewhere and it was a panic stop.Anticipate the worst when going thru intersections and don't speed.

The best defense while riding is to always be thinking ahead, and remember a riders greatest strength is avoidance & to ride accordingly.Had he been riding in the upper half of his lane he would have had captured more of the other drivers visibility from both sides of the street and perhaps spotted the left turn driver earlier and braked sooner.
It has saved my skin quite a few times,and I highly recommend any rider to always stay visible as much as possible,and if dayglo orange safety vest is your thing more power to you.

edited in response to latindanes input

( a little background on me riding for over 30 years in one of the worst areas to drive in the world due to all the tourista's who drive like crap anyone who does the commute over the bay bridge everyday knows what I am talking about.)

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In my view the rider was only partially at fault, ...
"At fault" has little to no bearing with the purpose of the 1Rider subforum:
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Pretty basic. To provide some insight into giving you the info to become a life long motorcyclist. Barf wants you to survive your first years as a rider. There is a lot to learn on the street.

How to merge ... How to share...how to anticipate.... How to ride the pace..and so damn much more.

1rider is here to help those that are willing to read help themselves.

Why?

Because we care...period.

I truly hope the written word can help.
IMO, removing the "at fault" track of thinking when you reflect on tactics to keep yourself (and others) safe is wise. Complacency in traffic laws and the expectation that others will dutifully abide by them works against that objective.

Or, as the OP eloquently put it:
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In many crashes where view is obstructed, as Hurt said, "the culpability is clearly that of the automobile driver." But to survive as a motorcyclist you must accept full responsibility for your own survival, because it is you, not the Ford F-350 driver, whose life is on the line. By increasing your awareness of hidden hazards, you will be able to identify these situations as they develop and take action to protect yourself.
Agree on thinking ahead. Increasing the likelihood of seeing and being seen is obviously a good idea, but the main point in the thread remains: don't assume that hazards are not there simply because you cannot see them right now. Anticipate that a truck may be concealing a left-turner, that a car may be partially on your lane just beyond your view of that blind right curve, that a maintenance truck is parked on the right lane which you cannot see behind the box truck you are in such a hurry to overtake...
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