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Old 01-17-2019, 02:59 AM   #16
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Jay, If I've learned one thing that's changed what I think of MotoGP riders it's that those bikes are nothing like ours...once I learned that, I started watching what WSBK and the likes are/ were doing. It's like that leg dangling shit in club races...WTF?

I don't know how else to move on the bike except for on the balls of my feet. That's me personally, but the balls/ toe sections gives the ability to stay forward on the bike as well under cornering/ acceleration.
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Old 01-17-2019, 07:33 AM   #17
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I believe many go to their arch/leading edge of heel on the outside peg as it's a carry over from dirt riding and the ability to accelerate and control the motorcycle with weighting. It also allows them to moderate the brake lever and/or shifter if for some reason they have a short shift in a section.

But going to the arch has been used by many for as long as I can remember. Heck, google Kenny Roberts or Barry Sheene.

And Berto is correct in that MotoGP bikes and tires have nothing in common with what we will typically ride so some of their techniques are based on the tires they run and how to make them work with their bike setup. Very few of us will ever get to experience a MotoGP slick at full operating temperatures over a sustained duration.
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Old 01-17-2019, 07:49 AM   #18
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And Berto is correct in that MotoGP bikes and tires have nothing in common with what we will typically ride so some of their techniques are based on the tires they run and how to make them work with their bike setup. Very few of us will ever get to experience a MotoGP slick at full operating temperatures over a sustained duration.
This. And very few of us are capable of getting a MotoGP slick up to full operating temperature. Very few. I am certainly not.
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Old 01-17-2019, 07:56 AM   #19
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Hip flexibility affects your ability to get your knee out, drag knee, and how much weight u can apply. U donít need a lot of foot contact w the peg to weight it. I can put all my weight on a small edge of my foot or a few toes, prob something I picked up with rock climbing.

Donít worry about dragging knee. Itís not a good indicator of speed. At 2:15, itís prob the opposite - an indicator of bad technique.

Thunderhill is a lot of trail braking entries that work well with a slow/smooth addition of lean angle. Peg weighting is less important if u arenít trying to flop the bike into your knee really quickly. Thatís partly why u see riders take their inside foot off - weighting that peg then just doesnít matter as much as other stuff.



Ya a transition is right to left or vice versus. If u weight the inside peg then move to the other side real quick and weight that, thatíll help get through the transition quicker with less bar input. As you get faster, your transitions will also need to take less time. And youíll need to go farther too, from knee to knee, which is really hard without using the pegs.

I push off the inside peg and pull with my outside thigh to pull me back to center. If u canít get back, your butt might be too far off.
And im not the most flexible..

Interesting about being off to far. Corner exit on acceleration is the point im farthest off the bike. That's when im trying to keep my body off while standing up the bike for better traction and acceleration. Not all corners but certainly heavy acceleration corners. Im gonna try and pay attention to this here in a few weeks when i get to the track...

Think ill bring the go pro and put it on back of bike to see body position.
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Old 01-17-2019, 08:02 AM   #20
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Wait, your heel is on the peg on the outside peg? Why heel? Should be on the balls of your feet on both feet.
By sliding heal to peg it allows me to open inside leg and more easily point shoulders and upper body into corner.

I seen it spoke about somewhere and tried it. certainly helped me feel more comfortable on the bike...
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Old 01-17-2019, 08:59 AM   #21
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This. And very few of us are capable of getting a MotoGP slick up to full operating temperature. Very few. I am certainly not.
I know I wont be for some time...if ever

Wait, Moto GP uses different tires than what is readily available to us? ive honestly never paid a lot of attention to them.

I have been using Michelin SC2 or SC1, I have seen SC3 and I believe SC0. So in terms of Michelin, which is what I barely understand as it is, what would a Moto GP rider tire be?
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Old 01-17-2019, 11:23 AM   #22
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Wait, your heel is on the peg on the outside peg? Why heel? Should be on the balls of your feet on both feet.
maybe hes tall or has long legs and it doesnt matter for him.

I have long legs and have no issues locking my heel onto the peg, as long as it stays the outside foot.

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I know I wont be for some time...if ever

Wait, Moto GP uses different tires than what is readily available to us? ive honestly never paid a lot of attention to them.

I have been using Michelin SC2 or SC1, I have seen SC3 and I believe SC0. So in terms of Michelin, which is what I barely understand as it is, what would a Moto GP rider tire be?
GP tires are not comparable to your Michelins. GP tires have a stiffer carcass and rubber that has a higher operating range for temperature. essentially, that means u need to brake and accelerate at GP levels to get the tires anywhere close to their optimal temperature.

this doesn't invalid all the stuff they do with their body. if anything, the fact that the size and ergonomics of a GP bike are different than a production bike has a much larger effect. but it does suggest we take their techniques with a grain of salt. watch and learn from them all u want, just don't be surprised if their techniques don't make u faster or more comfortable.
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Old 01-17-2019, 12:55 PM   #23
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Mick Doohan used to wear out a pair of boots every RACE. Soles completely gone. Used legs and feet to start and control slides and traction.

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Jay, If I've learned one thing that's changed what I think of MotoGP riders it's that those bikes are nothing like ours...once I learned that, I started watching what WSBK and the likes are/ were doing. It's like that leg dangling shit in club races...WTF?

I don't know how else to move on the bike except for on the balls of my feet. That's me personally, but the balls/ toe sections gives the ability to stay forward on the bike as well under cornering/ acceleration.
I also prefer to watch WSBK especially practice and qualifying as i get to see more of their technique being put into practice without getting caught up in the racecraft.

A fellow i raced against last season in novice clubman suffered from sudden onset leg dangle at the sonoma round and i couldn't help but ask why?
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Old 01-17-2019, 09:30 PM   #25
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maybe hes tall or has long legs and it doesnt matter for him.

I have long legs and have no issues locking my heel onto the peg, as long as it stays the outside foot.



GP tires are not comparable to your Michelins. GP tires have a stiffer carcass and rubber that has a higher operating range for temperature. essentially, that means u need to brake and accelerate at GP levels to get the tires anywhere close to their optimal temperature.

this doesn't invalid all the stuff they do with their body. if anything, the fact that the size and ergonomics of a GP bike are different than a production bike has a much larger effect. but it does suggest we take their techniques with a grain of salt. watch and learn from them all u want, just don't be surprised if their techniques don't make u faster or more comfortable.
I dont really watch Moto GP. some of the highlights on youtube but thats about it. I like to watch the beIN SPORTS USA youtube channel. I dont know what the races are called but I know a few of the names

Elias
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I picked up Jason Ritz 2013 ZX10R that was for sale on here not knowing anything about him. Just out of luck i clicked on one of these races and seen him in the lineup. So i watched the race and now im hooked on the last few seasons...

But Honestly I dont really pay attention to their riding all that much. I posted a link to video that populated in my subscriptions only because it was really easy to see the guys foot placement...
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I dont really watch Moto GP. some of the highlights on youtube but thats about it. I like to watch the beIN SPORTS USA youtube channel. I dont know what the races are called but I know a few of the names

Elias
Bea
Hayden
Scholtz
Ritz

I picked up Jason Ritz 2013 ZX10R that was for sale on here not knowing anything about him. Just out of luck i clicked on one of these races and seen him in the lineup. So i watched the race and now im hooked on the last few seasons...

But Honestly I dont really pay attention to their riding all that much. I posted a link to video that populated in my subscriptions only because it was really easy to see the guys foot placement...
Rea, not Bea, and Ritz is actually a long Turkish name. Rea is fast, no?
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Rea (and others from what I've observed) also don't actually lock into the tank in a corner.

Lots of the outside leg bouncing around.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cl0EFLUH87E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKk2wT2RWL8
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Rea looks locked in, just not with his knee or that part of his inner thigh. his hips aren't moving with that bouncing. his main point of contact with the tank seems to be his inner thigh further toward his groin.

IMO, pro racers conserve energy very well. if theres no reason to lock their leg to the tank, they arent going to do it. they sit on the seat when possible. they only weight their pegs when it does something. etc etc. thats partly how Josh Herrin got through 4 SBK races in a weekend at Laguna, while club racers feel gassed after 3-4 sprint races.
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Rea (and others from what I've observed) also don't actually lock into the tank in a corner.

Lots of the outside leg bouncing around.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cl0EFLUH87E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKk2wT2RWL8
There's a reason for that. On some corners you have to.
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Old 01-18-2019, 05:11 PM   #30
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Rea, not Bea, and Ritz is actually a long Turkish name. Rea is fast, no?

Bea short for Beach and Ritz short for Laurenritzen(I believe thats it)

Im not sure I have seen a Rea, but im just getting into watching....
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