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Old 11-23-2013, 07:51 AM   #1
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How Can I Get This Law Passed?

I'm considering putting in the leg work to get a new law passed for riders. In a nutshell, I would like permission to ride in 101's left emergency lane as opposed to lane sharing during the commute. I am sure there are tons of other highways where this could work as well, but I'm just thinking about 101 personally.

Aside from how any of you may feel about this idea, can anyone tell me how to go about getting a law to go to vote like this? Who do I contact? Do I need a petition? Do I draft the law or just put together the basics and someone in the government writes a legal mumbo-jumbo version?
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Old 11-23-2013, 09:11 AM   #2
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$$,$$$,$$$ to just start.

Left e-area is undesirable btw because of the debris and varying widths.
The road studies, impact study, EIR alone would be a cost breaker. You would be shocked at how much goes into road design.

And yes, I have re-written some minor city codes/laws and speak with some mild experience.
Not as nearly costly, but a pita none the less. Some took 6 months, a couple took 3 years.
By the time anything you presented would be even looked at, Lane Sharing in CA will be long gone and the need for "MC Lane" will be quashed. Not trying to crush your dreams, just saying.

Now there is one approach though that could possibly help your cause.....
It's a long shot, but could fast-path your idea with some traction. (I'll wait for my retainer, thank you)

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Old 11-23-2013, 09:27 AM   #3
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$$,$$$,$$$ to just start.

Left e-area is undesirable btw because of the debris and varying widths.
The road studies, impact study, EIR alone would be a cost breaker. You would be shocked at how much goes into road design.

And yes, I have re-written some minor city codes/laws and speak with some mild experience.
Not as nearly costly, but a pita none the less. Some took 6 months, a couple took 3 years.
By the time anything you presented would be even looked at, Lane Sharing in CA will be long gone and the need for "MC Lane" will be quashed. Not trying to crush your dreams, just saying.

Now there is one approach though that could possibly help your cause.....
It's a long shot, but could fast-path your idea with some traction. (I'll wait for my retainer, thank you)
From the riding perspective, I feel it could easily be feasible. There is a ton of room on a lot of stretches of Bay Area freeways there. Sure they are a little dirty with road debris, but after a couple hundred riders roll over it (with a few possible flat tires incurred) it would be as clean as the rest of the roadway. It would be ZERO dollars because we wouldn't need to repaint anything. The law would simply need to say "It's okay for motorcycles to use that lane." That's it + a whole bunch of other mumbo-jumbo to better define when/where/how, but basically just make it to where a CHP cant pull me over for using the left emergency lane to pass commute traffic as opposed to splitting. I'll wager a bet that cagers during the commute would greatly appreciate not having us splitting and off to the side where they don't have to worry or pay attention to us at all (as if they do pay attention anyways lol).

It all sounds easy in my head at least. I just need to know how to try it and if it has already been attempted.
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Old 11-23-2013, 09:49 AM   #4
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From the riding perspective, I feel it could easily be feasible. There is a ton of room on a lot of stretches of Bay Area freeways there. Sure they are a little dirty with road debris, but after a couple hundred riders roll over it (with a few possible flat tires incurred) it would be as clean as the rest of the roadway. It would be ZERO dollars because we wouldn't need to repaint anything. The law would simply need to say "It's okay for motorcycles to use that lane." That's it + a whole bunch of other mumbo-jumbo to better define when/where/how, but basically just make it to where a CHP cant pull me over for using the left emergency lane to pass commute traffic as opposed to splitting. I'll wager a bet that cagers during the commute would greatly appreciate not having us splitting and off to the side where they don't have to worry or pay attention to us at all (as if they do pay attention anyways lol).

It all sounds easy in my head at least. I just need to know how to try it and if it has already been attempted.
I think you're underestimating the amount of crap in that area. All that shit is there because that's where the shit ends up. It won't just go away after a few hundred riders sacrifice tires and safety to pick it up, as you seem to think—it'll keep building up. I'm not interested in riding a minor minefield to get out of traffic, especially since I can split.

You're also underestimating the required work: signage, education, etc. There are costs involved. It isn't a matter of "hey, no one is using this spot, ok? We're going to take it."

Also consider the backlash from drivers, many of whom are already upset about the "unfairness" of lane splitting. Do you really think the driving majority will get on board with another way for us to "cut in line?"

I'm curious as to what you the benefits of this will be—do you envision riders just sailing along in this un-used space while everyone else is barely rolling? What happens when you're hauling ass up this space and a driver decides "since they can do it, I'll just pop out here and move up a few spots?"

Rather than asking for another, specific exemption, I think we as a community should be educating drivers about lane splitting and educating riders to take it a bit easier. or is splitting at a 10 MPH differential just not fast enough for you?

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By the time anything you presented would be even looked at, Lane Sharing in CA will be long gone and the need for "MC Lane" will be quashed. Not trying to crush your dreams, just saying.
Papi, you've made comments like this about lane splitting before—why do you think it's a done deal that it goes away?
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Old 11-23-2013, 10:41 AM   #5
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I think you're underestimating the amount of crap in that area. All that shit is there because that's where the shit ends up. It won't just go away after a few hundred riders sacrifice tires and safety to pick it up, as you seem to think—it'll keep building up. I'm not interested in riding a minor minefield to get out of traffic, especially since I can split.

You're also underestimating the required work: signage, education, etc. There are costs involved. It isn't a matter of "hey, no one is using this spot, ok? We're going to take it."

Also consider the backlash from drivers, many of whom are already upset about the "unfairness" of lane splitting. Do you really think the driving majority will get on board with another way for us to "cut in line?"

I'm curious as to what you the benefits of this will be—do you envision riders just sailing along in this un-used space while everyone else is barely rolling? What happens when you're hauling ass up this space and a driver decides "since they can do it, I'll just pop out here and move up a few spots?"

Rather than asking for another, specific exemption, I think we as a community should be educating drivers about lane splitting and educating riders to take it a bit easier. or is splitting at a 10 MPH differential just not fast enough for you?



Papi, you've made comments like this about lane splitting before—why do you think it's a done deal that it goes away?
Okay, I concede there is a lot of stuff there in that lane, and maybe riding over it till it's gone IS a bad idea. You're right about that. To combat that issue, you run a street sweeper over the mother trucker one time and voila, clean roadway. You're wrong about it getting dirty again. It's just like the lanes we already have. Those stay generally clean because anytime a piece of debris falls onto the road it is kicked over by cars until it can't be kicked any further and ends up in the emergency lanes. If riders were constantly riding there it would kick the crap even closer to the wall and be just as 'unsafe' as riding on the normal lanes in terms of debris. Yes there is a cost involved with a street sweeper but not as much as you would think. In fact I know a rider who operates a street sweeping business with his own truck that would probably do it for free.

In terms of signage, there doesn't need to be any. Just like there isn't a sign to tell riders/cagers it is legal to lane share, we don't need a sign telling riders/cagers it is legal to use the emergency lane. Same thing.

In terms of "backlash" from drivers, you're right, some would be pissed. But they already are! When they decide to do something about it and cut me off when I am safely lane sharing I get pinned between two cars or blocked, resulting in a possible emergency stop scenario. At least in the emergency lane I have a buffer of space to avoid the accident or crash and then not get run over by the 3 other cars around me.

And no, I don't envision a space where riders are doing 65mph past dead stop traffic. That's wholly unsafe and I hate seeing people lane share like that as it is. Put a 30mph speed limit on the lane (the CHP recommended max speed for lane sharing) and enforce it, just like they already do for lane sharing reckless riders. I have known people who have gotten reckless driving's due to crazy lane splitting.

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The benefit, in a nutshell, is to move the rider as far away from the cage as possible in the interest of all parties involved. Once we merge over we can ride in a lane and be at a much greater reduced risk for injury and damage to property. Increased ease of commuting would equate to that so called better education you speak of. Instead of cagers getting mad and retaliating at us as you allude to, some might take up riding since they see that it is now safer than splitting. Also think about the mechanical benefits to your bike; fewer shifts, revs, fuel consumption, braking, suspension (it's smoother in those lanes).

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Old 11-23-2013, 01:49 PM   #6
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Papi, you've made comments like this about lane splitting before—why do you think it's a done deal that it goes away?

It's already being discuss at the state GOV level. Sorry.
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It's already being discuss at the state GOV level. Sorry.
I'll be so pissed if they try and remove our privilege of lane splitting.

Here's a hypothetical: If they did make it illegal to lane share, and the majority of riders just kept doing it anyway, would LEOs even bother enforcing it?
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I'll be so pissed if they try and remove our privilege of lane splitting.

Here's a hypothetical: If they did make it illegal to lane share, and the majority of riders just kept doing it anyway, would LEOs even bother enforcing it?
i would be less worried about LEOs and more worried about giving car drivers the entitlement to take action into their own hand (i.e. blocking a rider while lane sharing).

lane sharing wont go away as long as that USC traffic study deemed it safer for a rider than sitting in traffic. not sure why you are always so doom and gloom about it; especially since we have the AMA backing the lane sharing right and other watchdog agencies that protect our rights to lane share
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Old 11-25-2013, 08:59 PM   #9
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not sure why you are always so doom and gloom about it; especially since we have the AMA backing the lane sharing right and other watchdog agencies that protect our rights to lane share


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It's already being discuss at the state GOV level. Sorry.
It's been discussed for years but not seriously pursued. You heard that Beall isn't planning to seek action on SB350, right? I've recently spoken to folks in the transportation committee (along with Beall's staff) and have a contact who works in Sac—haven't heard any new rumbles about banning splitting. If you have any specific info, please share.
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contact who works in Sac—haven't heard any new rumbles about banning splitting. If you have any specific info, please share.
It's what you're not hearing;
...thats what you should be worried about.
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...thats what you should be worried about.
Any specifics? Or are you just worried?
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I don't think the CHP will appreciate that space being taken. It's where people pull off in an emergency, and sometimes used by emergency vehicles. It also chokes off in many places, meaning riders would suddenly have to merge back into traffic. Then someone would have to write a shit load of laws regulating merging, passing in that lane ( one bike passing another) speed differential ( If traffic is stopped, does the slowest rider set the pace?) I can think of a half dozen other problems.
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I don't think the CHP will appreciate that space being taken. It's where people pull off in an emergency, and sometimes used by emergency vehicles. It also chokes off in many places, meaning riders would suddenly have to merge back into traffic. Then someone would have to write a shit load of laws regulating merging, passing in that lane ( one bike passing another) speed differential ( If traffic is stopped, does the slowest rider set the pace?) I can think of a half dozen other problems.
Yeah, there certainly is a bunch of legal jargon that would be needed to clarify things and account for all the different circumstances.
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This conversation was brought up only a month ago with the general consensus: this is a terrible idea for several reasons. Here's the gist of it:

Only a very small portion of the general vehicle population would be able to use it. You're going to get a lot of push-back because of this. Much of it from Sacramento.

It's going to cost a lot of money. New laws, new signs, new lane designations, cleaning, maintenance. Who's going to pay for it? Perhaps taxing new motorcycle sales or DMV bike registrations (since only motorcyclists can use it).

Why do we need a specific lane for a specific type of vehicle to begin with? Aren't the regular roads good enough?

Where do vehicles go to when they break down? This is one of the main intentions of what an emergency lane/shoulder is for.

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