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Old 11-26-2013, 01:18 PM   #16
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That's not a bad idea, but mine's better; airbikes. we'd just sorta zoom OVER the cages
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That's not a bad idea, but mine's better; airbikes. we'd just sorta zoom OVER the cages
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Old 12-05-2013, 10:01 PM   #19
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Any specifics? Or are you just worried?
Just remember that most controversial laws/changes get buried inside Bills that are usually targeted at something completely different. This is how State legislators bury items and get them passed under our noses on page 200 something about a Bill on environmental concerns or teenage pregnancy that have nothing to do with those items.

Understand now? And I don't worry. If State GOV stays Dem, Lane Sharing is targeted. If it goes GOP or other, it will still be targeted. Sadly, nothing will stop it's demise at this point. Thank those who effed it up for the rest of us by splitting over the posted limit or knocked off mirrors or scared the pregnant mom by kicking her door on the fwy. They all played a huge part in bending influential ears.

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Old 12-05-2013, 10:28 PM   #20
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Just remember that most controversial laws/changes get buried inside Bills that are usually targeted at something completely different. This is how State legislators bury items and get them passed under our noses on page 200 something about a Bill on environmental concerns or teenage pregnancy that have nothing to do with those items.

Understand now? And I don't worry. If State GOV stays Dem, Lane Sharing is targeted. If it goes GOP or other, it will still be targeted. Sadly, nothing will stop it's demise at this point. Thank those who effed it up for the rest of us by splitting over the posted limit or knocked off mirrors or scared the pregnant mom by kicking her door on the fwy. They all played a huge part in bending influential ears.
Papi—I have done a LOT of monitoring of legislation and totally get how this works. I was asking if you have any evidence of this happening right now—legislators who've expressed they're going to push for banning splitting in 2014 session, etc—sounds like you don't. That's good.
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Old 12-05-2013, 10:34 PM   #21
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—sounds like you don't.
OK. I've already said what needs to be said. My last word is you might be looking in the wrong place. Good luck.
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Old 12-06-2013, 05:07 AM   #22
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The simple answer to get any legislation introduced is to discuss it with your elected representatives.

Have you met your assemblymember, state or national senator, congressperson or their staff?

It is not difficult. We need to do that more.
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Old 12-06-2013, 07:45 AM   #23
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OK. I've already said what needs to be said. My last word is you might be looking in the wrong place. Good luck.
Papi, all I'm saying is that I know how this works and I'm looking everywhere I can.

Again, if you have any specifics you can share—legislators stating they're attacking this in 2014, whatever—I'm sure we'd all appreciate it if you'd share that info. I haven't seen or heard of any evidence of this going on right now—and I spend a LOT of time tracking this stuff down.
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The simple answer to get any legislation introduced is to discuss it with your elected representatives.

Have you met your assemblymember, state or national senator, congressperson or their staff?

It is not difficult. We need to do that more.
That sounds like a feasible thing I can manage. Write my elected officials.

The more I think about this, the more I want a non-biased party to conduct the research on it. Basically, do the analysis and determine if it would be safer, how much emergency lane should be available before being allowed to use it (if at all), would signage benefit the program at all, etc... Kind of like how The Hurt Report was done by USC. I wonder if there is a university group interested in doing this type of investigative research/prediction.
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Old 12-07-2013, 08:39 AM   #25
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That sounds like a feasible thing I can manage. Write my elected officials.

The more I think about this, the more I want a non-biased party to conduct the research on it. Basically, do the analysis and determine if it would be safer, how much emergency lane should be available before being allowed to use it (if at all), would signage benefit the program at all, etc... Kind of like how The Hurt Report was done by USC. I wonder if there is a university group interested in doing this type of investigative research/prediction.
I still don't agree with the idea () but you could contact OTS or Berkeley SafeTREC. There are people interested/sympathetic to motorcycles at both orgs. However, I imagine they'll have many of the same concerns right off the bat—it may be hard to convince them.
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(1) this is a horrible idea, and (2) you'll never get it done. But don't let me discourage you. Good luck.

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Again, if you have any specifics you can share—legislators stating they're attacking this in 2014, whatever—I'm sure we'd all appreciate it if you'd share that info. I haven't seen or heard of any evidence of this going on right now—and I spend a LOT of time tracking this stuff down.
Not sure if you're serious or just trying to call him out on an obvous bluff.
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(1) this is a horrible idea, and (2) you'll never get it done. But don't let me discourage you. Good luck.



Not sure if you're serious or just trying to call him out on an obvous bluff.
I'm serious—not trying to call him out. I run LaneSplittingIsLegal.com and monitor a LOT of information sources on this topic, and have lots of connections that give me info. But there are tons of folks with other connections I don't have, and if someone has specific information on lane splitting legislation or legislators talking about doing something, I definitely want to know what it is.
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I'm serious—not trying to call him out. I run LaneSplittingIsLegal.com and monitor a LOT of information sources on this topic, and have lots of connections that give me info. But there are tons of folks with other connections I don't have, and if someone has specific information on lane splitting legislation or legislators talking about doing something, I definitely want to know what it is.
I am seriously interested for the fact that if their is a movement to abolish lane splitting, I want to know so that I can oppose it. Whether it's voting against it, attending a rally, or doing a sweet burnout on the legislator who is trying to abolish it's lawn, I'll be there to show my support.
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Thank those who effed it up for the rest of us by splitting over the posted limit or knocked off mirrors or scared the pregnant mom by kicking her door on the fwy. They all played a huge part in bending influential ears.
Note the Bold Underlined text. Take it as you may. I'm on your side, your stickers are for the taking at my shop. I agree with safe responsible lane sharing.

But, beyond my re-quote, realize that a discussion has begun whether you choose to believe it or not. SB350 was just the beginning.

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Note the Bold Underlined text. Take it as you may. I'm on your side, your stickers are for the taking at my shop. I agree with safe responsible lane sharing.

But, beyond my re-quote, realize that a discussion has begun whether you choose to believe it or not. SB350 was just the beginning.
I get everything you're saying, Papi, and I know we're on the same side. I appreciate you having stickers at the shop. I'm really not trying to give you shit here, but I'm not sure why you think I'm not getting your points. I know quite a bit about how this stuff works—there's no gap there.

I know there are always folks talking about banning splitting—this conversation didn't just start, and it's not like I don't believe it. It's gone on this past and will go on in the future.

It originally sounded like you might have some specifics, like maybe "Senator X is talking to Committee Member Y about splitting..." and I'd want that information, but it appears that's not the case. I'm totally with you on irresponsible splitters ruining it for the rest of us, but I guess where we differ is that you seem sure splitting is going to be banned, and I don't see evidence of that and haven't given up on keeping it legal.
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