Bmw s1000xr - Page 13 - BARF

Ant · 08-11-2018, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by gixxerjeff

Haven't seen a post from you in ages.
Great to see.

Thank you Jeff hope all is well with you

RRrider · 10-03-2018, 09:21 AM

Did you guys install the red thingy under the seat (that's the technical term I believe - aka the coding plug

) that activates Dynamic Pro mode?

What was your impression?

Ant · 10-03-2018, 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RRrider

Did you guys install the red thingy under the seat (that's the technical term I believe - aka the coding plug

) that activates Dynamic Pro mode?

What was your impression?

I didn't.

All it does as I understand in that mode is basically turn off all the safety stuff like traction control, it doesn't add any HP.

mrzuzzo · 10-03-2018, 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RRrider

Did you guys install the red thingy under the seat (that's the technical term I believe - aka the coding plug

) that activates Dynamic Pro mode?

What was your impression?

Yes.

I don't care about DP mode but I ride mostly in Dynamic as long as pavement is smooth. It also saves the settings which is nice.

Suspension settings are still trash all things considered. Dynamic mode definitely tightens them up, which is not a great thing for our shitty roads.

RRrider · 10-03-2018, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by mrzuzzo

Yes.

I don't care about DP mode but I ride mostly in Dynamic as long as pavement is smooth. It also saves the settings which is nice.

Suspension settings are still trash all things considered. Dynamic mode definitely tightens them up, which is not a great thing for our shitty roads.

Suspension is actually my interest in this question. Is the suspension the same in Dynamic and Dynamic Pro, or do you eliminate some of that pogo sensation with Pro.

I never bothered to install the plug, as on my old S1KRR, I didn't like the throttle response in slick mode, and presumed the same would be true on the S1KXR...where I do like the throttle response but am unhappy with the suspension.

in another thread, I got turned onto the Tractive option. As my bike has about 24K miles on it, my suspension probably is due for some attention, and I'm considering Tractive...but I thought I'd explore this Dynamic Pro avenue to see if that improved matters first.

appreciate the words of wisdom folks!

mrzuzzo · 10-03-2018, 09:46 AM

The throttle in Dynamic and DP is identical.

The suspension mode is changed to "C". Last time I tried it I found it to be too harsh for the kind of roads I ride at, plus the minimalist safety features in DP mode don't really work well for my commute.

That said, suspension is a very individual thing.

Ant · 10-03-2018, 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RRrider

Suspension is actually my interest in this question. Is the suspension the same in Dynamic and Dynamic Pro, or do you eliminate some of that pogo sensation with Pro.

I never bothered to install the plug, as on my old S1KRR, I didn't like the throttle response in slick mode, and presumed the same would be true on the S1KXR...where I do like the throttle response but am unhappy with the suspension.

in another thread, I got turned onto the Tractive option. As my bike has about 24K miles on it, my suspension probably is due for some attention, and I'm considering Tractive...but I thought I'd explore this Dynamic Pro avenue to see if that improved matters first.

appreciate the words of wisdom folks!

You'll find a ton of responses and personal exeriences here:
https://www.s1000xr.uk/index.php?action=forum

SVJ · 10-03-2018, 09:59 AM

I leave mine in pro all the time, I find the regular dynamic mode overlords too heavy handed.

Z3n · 10-03-2018, 01:13 PM

Mine lives in Dynamic Pro if it's not raining. I find it allows some moderate sliding, and ABS intervention is perfect for dry weather use. I tend to keep it in Road TC mode when the conditions are intermittent, as Rain is a little too aggressive on intervention for my tastes unless there's a lot of standing water.

For suspension settings, I worked with Tractive until the front setup was perfect for road use in the softer mode, and stiffer mode was good on track or on reasonably smooth roads.

I don't notice a significant difference in suspension compliance between the Rain / Road / Dynamic / Dynamic Pro. Couldn't say if that's a function of the Tractive suspension or just that the variation in OEM setup doesn't make a significant enough difference to me to be meaningful. I'm also quite used to very stiff roadrace suspension, and prefer my road suspension on the compliant side of sporty.

It's noteworth that the bike would bottom out constantly on the stock shock spring, making a very harsh ride. I believe I went from something like a 90nm spring to a 120nm spring and while I had serious concerns about going up that many spring rates, it made the ride incredibly compliant, as it started actually operating in the correct travel in the stroke. The bike also became rideable in Rider mode, as opposed to my constantly having to keep it in Rider + Luggage mode just to get it to stop squatting so terribly on the rear.

kuksul08 · 10-03-2018, 02:31 PM

Yeah I installed the red thingy. It just unlocks Dynamic Pro which allows wheelies and has reduced intervention from the ABS and TC. But it still intervenes quite a bit and won't really let you crash in the dry unless you're being an idiot.

The suspension is far from trash. But it could use a few tweaks. I am actually thinking of putting a stiffer spring on the rear since I agree it is way too soft and squatty. I just wish the ESA had more range. I can definitely tell the difference, but the ability to change from a goat road to a race track would be pretty awesome. Right now - it's more like being able to switch from a bumpy road to a pretty smooth road; not soft enough for truly goaty roads and not stiff enough for track use.

RRrider · 10-03-2018, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Z3n

44k on mine. Suspension got kinda crappy at 30k or so due to the oil breaking down, so I installed the Tractive stuff, which is a massive improvement over the stock stuff. Now the suspension is as good as any bike I've ever ridden, including my trackbikes.

Will need to do the valves soon-ish. Did chain and sprockets recently, no drama there. Had to replace the cush drive rubbers, was getting major play at the cush drive (maybe it's cause of the wheelies, idk).

Besides all that, bike is in great shape and I'm very happy with it.

Who did the Tractive suspension installation and setup for you?

Does the Beemer shop in Scotts Valley do installs too, or just distribute the parts from the Netherlands? Did you go to a dealer? Did you have someone like Catalyst Reaction do it? Or did you do it yourself?

thanks!

Z3n · 10-03-2018, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by RRrider

Who did the Tractive suspension installation and setup for you?

Does the Beemer shop in Scotts Valley do installs too, or just distribute the parts from the Netherlands? Did you go to a dealer? Did you have someone like Catalyst Reaction do it? Or did you do it yourself?

thanks!

I pulled the shock myself, and dropped it off with them. For the fork install, I brought the bike to them. They're full service for distribution and install if you want them to be. I was one of the first, so they (reasonably) wanted to make sure the product worked as expected, and they were great in working with me to get it just right.

There were a couple of times I brought it back to get it dialed in, as the setup on the front wasn't in balance with the rear with the initial damping settings in the cartridge, so they had to swap the cartridges, but they took great care of me and they should have it all dialed out of the box by now.

There's no actual tuning that can be done by the end user on these, afaik - they're a sealed cartridge, and I don't know that it's possible (or a good idea) to do shim adjustments to them.

Dropped you a PM as well

RRrider · 10-03-2018, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Z3n

I pulled the shock myself, and dropped it off with them. For the fork install, I brought the bike to them. They're full service for distribution and install if you want them to be. I was one of the first, so they (reasonably) wanted to make sure the product worked as expected, and they were great in working with me to get it just right.

There were a couple of times I brought it back to get it dialed in, as the setup on the front wasn't in balance with the rear with the initial damping settings in the cartridge, so they had to swap the cartridges, but they took great care of me and they should have it all dialed out of the box by now.

There's no actual tuning that can be done by the end user on these, afaik - they're a sealed cartridge, and I don't know that it's possible (or a good idea) to do shim adjustments to them.

Dropped you a PM as well

Awesome! appreciate the guidance!
thx

CrazyBiker · 01-16-2019, 08:58 AM

To add this is from my S1KR

How much did the tractive cost? I am at 12k; far away but good to know.

Z3n · 01-16-2019, 09:38 AM

When I bought them, it was 1k for the cartridge, 900 for the shock, and I had them install the cartridge / provided my shock off the bike. They validated that the front spring rate was appropriate on the install and swapped the parts to the shock. I was also an early adopter so they provided a bunch of great support to get things just right.

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10-03-2018, 09:46 AM	#186
mrzuzzo Loud pipe & bright lights Contributor + Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Los Gatos Hills Motorcycles: The one outside of Starbucks Name: Victor	The throttle in Dynamic and DP is identical. The suspension mode is changed to "C". Last time I tried it I found it to be too harsh for the kind of roads I ride at, plus the minimalist safety features in DP mode don't really work well for my commute. That said, suspension is a very individual thing.

10-03-2018, 09:59 AM	#188
SVJ Where'd my bike go? Contributor + Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Crick Motorcycles: 1000+300+150+50=:) Name: -J	I leave mine in pro all the time, I find the regular dynamic mode overlords too heavy handed.

10-03-2018, 01:13 PM	#189
Z3n Squid. Contributor +++++ 2% Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Oakland, CA Motorcycles: help me prove my commitment to Sparkle Motion. Name:	Mine lives in Dynamic Pro if it's not raining. I find it allows some moderate sliding, and ABS intervention is perfect for dry weather use. I tend to keep it in Road TC mode when the conditions are intermittent, as Rain is a little too aggressive on intervention for my tastes unless there's a lot of standing water. For suspension settings, I worked with Tractive until the front setup was perfect for road use in the softer mode, and stiffer mode was good on track or on reasonably smooth roads. I don't notice a significant difference in suspension compliance between the Rain / Road / Dynamic / Dynamic Pro. Couldn't say if that's a function of the Tractive suspension or just that the variation in OEM setup doesn't make a significant enough difference to me to be meaningful. I'm also quite used to very stiff roadrace suspension, and prefer my road suspension on the compliant side of sporty. It's noteworth that the bike would bottom out constantly on the stock shock spring, making a very harsh ride. I believe I went from something like a 90nm spring to a 120nm spring and while I had serious concerns about going up that many spring rates, it made the ride incredibly compliant, as it started actually operating in the correct travel in the stroke. The bike also became rideable in Rider mode, as opposed to my constantly having to keep it in Rider + Luggage mode just to get it to stop squatting so terribly on the rear.

10-03-2018, 02:31 PM	#190
kuksul08 Suh Dude Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Hoon Valley Motorcycles: Whee! Name:	Yeah I installed the red thingy. It just unlocks Dynamic Pro which allows wheelies and has reduced intervention from the ABS and TC. But it still intervenes quite a bit and won't really let you crash in the dry unless you're being an idiot. The suspension is far from trash. But it could use a few tweaks. I am actually thinking of putting a stiffer spring on the rear since I agree it is way too soft and squatty. I just wish the ESA had more range. I can definitely tell the difference, but the ability to change from a goat road to a race track would be pretty awesome. Right now - it's more like being able to switch from a bumpy road to a pretty smooth road; not soft enough for truly goaty roads and not stiff enough for track use.

01-16-2019, 08:58 AM	#194
CrazyBiker Rookie Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Fremont, CA Motorcycles: 2012 S1000RR 2014 S1000R Name:	To add this is from my S1KR How much did the tractive cost? I am at 12k; far away but good to know.

01-16-2019, 09:38 AM	#195
Z3n Squid. Contributor +++++ 2% Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Oakland, CA Motorcycles: help me prove my commitment to Sparkle Motion. Name:	When I bought them, it was 1k for the cartridge, 900 for the shock, and I had them install the cartridge / provided my shock off the bike. They validated that the front spring rate was appropriate on the install and swapped the parts to the shock. I was also an early adopter so they provided a bunch of great support to get things just right.