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Old 07-11-2017, 08:42 AM   #31
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Please issue a retraction of the posted "Off-Highway Vehicle Reform: Environmental Damage from Off Highway Vehicles (OHV) activity is outpacing California's ability to repair it”.

This is absolutely untrue as the OHMVR Division is mitigating the footprint of OHVs.

Please retract the link in subject newsletter to the severely biased CNPS article endorsing SB249. It is not in the interest of California to promote the agenda of a special interest group spreading misinformation”

Please issue a statement to the Water Parks and Wildlife Committee meeting today that this misinformatin has been issued in error and shold not be considered in their decsion, or the input from their constituants who were tainted by this misinformation.
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I'k gonna print this for Metcalf:

Please HELP save our OHV riding areas! SB 249 is designed to close them.

This is a modified reprint, provided by Don Amador of Quiet Warrior Racing, an an access advocate, in response to the erroneous State Park Newsletter.

This, with pictures, can be found at https://thegeneralsrecreationden.blo...-anti-ohv.html

You can also find information at bayarearidersforum.com in the “Riders Rights” forum, and the AMA and CORVA.

Please contact your Assemblymember, find them here
http://findyourrep.legislature.ca.gov and express your desire to have him/ her stop this bill, and support A.B. 1077.

Please review; This is really important:

SB 249 was crafted in the dark of night by the California Native Plant Society (CNPS) and a small group of extreme environmental groups over the course of the last two years without OHV involvement. At this time, not one OHV organization supports SB 249.

The bill fundamentally redirects this environmentally sound, highly successful and nationally acclaimed OHV program - with a recreation focus - to a non-OHV program with a preservation focus that relies on lawsuits and trail closures as primary “management” tools.

-pic in original- Engineered OHV Trail with OHV Bridge to Protect Stream Course Eldorado NF - Supported by CA OHV Grant Program

Since the creation of the California OHV program with the passage of the Chappie-Z’Berg OHV Act in 1971, OHV leaders have played an important role as stakeholders each time the program has come up for sunset review and reauthorization.  OHV leadership has a wide variety of expertise in all issues relating to OHV recreation, both technical and environmental, with specific knowledge on the interaction between state and federal land management processes.

-pic in original- Sediment Catch Basin - Rubicon Trail Collaborative Project between CA OHV Grant Program, Eldorado County, Eldorado NF and OHV Recreationists

Entire sections of SB 249 significantly alter priorities in ways that are obviously unacceptable to active California recreationists. There are also numerous examples of incorrect definitions, calls for unnecessary reports and demands for duplicative agency consultation that portray a lack of understanding of the interplay already required to create best management practices for areas that host OHV recreation.

-pic in original- OHV Travel Management Sign - Carnegie SVRA

It is clear that CNPS and partners crafted this bill with a goal of unduly hampering and purposely setting roadblocks to a program that is world renowned for its existing high standards with regards to both recreation opportunities and environmental conditions. They want the motorized parks to be held to an environmental standard equal to the non-motorized parks – an absurdity at every level.

-pic in original- CA OHV Grant Funded Restoration Project Tahoe NF

Furthermore there is no accountability for either reliably foreseen or unanticipated consequences of the drastic measures called for in the bill. Based on estimates from DPR and OHV experts, the magnitude of the costs to the state for land restoration and mitigation for federal, city and county lands, as called for by SB 249, could range from $11M to $20M per year.  Expected legal liability cost estimates could be in the tens of millions of dollars per year.

SB 249 focuses solely on management of natural and cultural resources while ignoring important recreation-related water quality and soil erosion mitigation measures and trail facility maintenance activities.

-pic in original- Engineered Contour OHV Trail Carnegie SVRA

SB 249 contains errors in the description of adaptive management as it is used in conjunction with a monitoring program. To those experienced in land policy, adaptive management is an ongoing process of evaluation leading to changes in operations to improve on-the-ground conditions. Many components are part of this process, although the bill stresses solely natural and cultural resources.

-pic in original- Engineered OHV Trail with Rolling Dip and
Sediment Catch Basin Eldorado NF

OHV stakeholders believe that water quality, erosion and sedimentation evaluations are equally critical, although none of these important issues are mentioned. Furthermore, natural and cultural resources are mentioned many times in the bill without adequate definition which will only lead to confusion in future decisions.

-pic in original- CA OHV Grant Funded Meadow Restoration Project Stanislaus NF

SB 249 seeks to prohibit use of existing roads in state vehicular recreation areas that were created by previous land owners. The bill would require the state to compile reports of accidents, citations and other infractions from all areas of the state, including federal lands, where off-road recreation occurs. This is a burden placed on no other unit of state parks, the information is not currently collected by state parks, nor is it required by any federal agency. Furthermore there is no justification for the need for this report, leading OHV leadership to conclude this is an unwarranted data collection effort that will be used by SB 249 proponents to discredit public land agencies and off-road recreationists.

-pic in original- CA OHV Grant Funded Multi-Use Trail Eldorado NF

SB 249 requires the Off-Highway Motor Vehicle Recreation (OHMVR) Division to change its purpose from managing for sustainable off-road recreation to primarily managing for non-recreation focused on the protection of natural and cultural resources.

-pic in original- Specialized Equipment to Maintain Trails Supported by CA OHV Grant Program

SB 249 seeks to portray and require restoration work to be done in an absolute fashion and be fully mitigated no matter the cause of the damage. Wildfires, earthquakes, rain and other weather phenomena can cause considerable damage, yet the effect of this damage is not differentiated from ongoing maintenance due to OHV activities. Other state parks are not responsible for acts of Mother Nature and it is inappropriate to place that burden on this program and this division. Minimizing impact to land from all forms of human interaction, whether through motorized or non-motorized activities is a goal already undertaken by all park units to the extent possible.

-pic in original- Sanitation Facilities to Protect Water Quality - Supported by CA OHV Grants
Rubicon Trail - Eldorado NF

SB 249 adds numerous agencies for consultation and written reports as requirements to be produced, which does nothing to improve environmental conditions on the ground. The redirected time will make performing environmental activities and restoration difficult, be extremely time consuming and add a considerable cost consideration for all entities concerned when there is no indication that anything is amiss in the current program.

-pic in original- CA OHV Grant Funded Restoration Project  Stanislaus NF

The OHMVR Division does much more than manage State Vehicular Recreation Areas (SVRAs).  Its efforts include everything from law enforcement to supporting the economic viability of rural counties.  The program also supports OHV recreation on lands managed by the Forest Service, Bureau of Land Management and counties.

-pic in original CA OHV Grant Program Supports County LE/Search and Rescue Programs

Again, I believe the regulatory mandates and related compliance requirements place the entire program (SVRAs and units managed by the USFS/BLM/counties) in both legal and fiscal jeopardy.  The legislation creates a target rich environment for future litigation based on the alleged failure of the OHVMR Division and other units to comply with a host of new and unwarranted regulations and reporting schedules.

OHV organizations are urging legislators and the Governor to support reauthorization of the current program that was substantially improved upon 10 years ago in a bipartisan manner under the leadership of Senator Darrell Steinberg (SB 742).
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this is the grants for preservation this year:
http://ohv.parks.ca.gov/pages/1140/f...tion-FINAL.pdf

Anyone who supports dissolution of the OHV program (like my Senator Beall) obviously does not support preservation of habitat and the desert tortoise.

It is sad when legislators support legislation to support their pals, not to public service. We have to stop electing incumbents.

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June 30, 2017

The Honorable Ben Allen
California State SenatePosition: Oppose
State Capitol Building
Sacramento, CA 95814Location: Senate Floor

Re: SB 249 (Allen) Off-highway motor vehicle recreation (As Amended June 26, 2017)

Dear Senator Allen,

On behalf of a coalition of off-highway recreation associations (Coalition) representing off-road recreation enthusiasts throughout the state of California, we regret that we must continue to oppose your Senate Bill 249 as it was amended on June 26, 2017. We also regret that not a single organized OHV group is able to support this bill – believing that the high price tag associated with the legislation inhibits safe, environmentally alert, legal and family oriented OHV recreation.

The legislation was drafted without our involvement and, while some concessions have been made as it wends its way through the process, the bill still re-focuses a highly successful recreation program at the nine of our two hundred and eighty parks set aside of motorized recreation, into an environmental wishlist that appears to us to be one-sided. It is our belief that the program put in place by the Steinberg bill ten years ago may not be perfect, but the focus on recreation, environmental protections – including Best Management Practices designed and implemented by environmental scientists and cultural archeologists –law enforcement and education is working.

We are also concerned by the maneuvering that removed the financial aspects of the bill in an effort to mute the voice of policymakers. Senator Steinberg and others respected the idea that policy and cost should be considered together, and the result was a collaborative bill that resulted in near unanimity of support in the Legislature.

Since the creation of the California Off-Highway Vehicle program with the passage of the Chappie-Z’Berg OHV Act in 1971, Coalition members have played an important role as stakeholders each time the program has come up for sunset review and reauthorization. Coalition members have a wide variety of expertise in all issues relating to OHV recreation, both technical and environmental, with specific knowledge on the interaction between state and federal land management processes.

We recognize the amendments to the bill that have been made in response to our previously submitted comments. However, the disadvantage of working off a bill sponsored by those with little appreciation for OHV activity instead of beginning with statute as we have done in the past leaves us with entire sections that significantly alter priorities in ways that are obviously unacceptable to active California recreationists. Reading through the bill there are numerous examples of incorrect definitions, calls for unnecessary reports, and demands for duplicative agency consultation that portray a lack of understanding of the interplay required to create best management practices for areas that host off-road recreation.

It is clear that off-road knowledge and expertise were not used to craft the bill, but that the bill was conceived and written with a goal of unduly hampering and purposely setting roadblocks to a program that is world renowned for its existing high standards with regards to both recreation opportunities and environmental conditions. Furthermore there is no accountability for either reliably foreseen or unanticipated consequences of the drastic measures called for in the bill. The magnitude of the costs to the state for land restoration and mitigation for federal, city and county lands as called for by SB 249 because the corresponding agencies are eligible for grant funding through the OHV Trust Fund, would be in the millions of dollars if it would even be possible. This may be an unintended consequence of the bill, but is an example of the errors in fact and judgment that would cause extreme hardship to the state.


Some of the most concerning issues:

• Sections 3 and 4 contain errors in the description of adaptive management as it is used in conjunction with a monitoring program. To those experienced in land policy, adaptive management is an ongoing process of evaluation leading to changes in operations to improve on-the-ground conditions. Many components are part of this process, although the bill stresses solely natural and cultural resources. We would add that water quality, erosion and sedimentation evaluations are equally critical, although none of these important issues are mentioned. Furthermore, natural and cultural resources are mentioned many times in the bill without adequate definition which would only lead to confusion in the future.

• Section 9 contains some of the more disconcerting changes proposed in the bill. Subsection (g) seeks to remove access to existing roads in state vehicular recreation areas by the public that were created earlier by previous land owners. This subsection would seek to benefit adjacent landowners with easements through state property while creating a management burden for the state. More troubling is subsection (m) that would require the state to compile reports of accidents, citations and other infractions from all areas of the state, including federal land, where off-road recreation occurs. This is a burden placed on no other unit of state parks, the information is not currently collected by state parks, nor is it required by any federal agency. Furthermore there is no justification for the need for this report, leading the Coalition to conclude the need lies in a wish to discredit off-road recreation.

• Section 11 requires the Off-Highway Motorized Vehicle Recreation Division to change its purpose from anything to do with offering off-road recreation, instead stating the most important mission is the protection of natural and cultural resources. Leaving aside the lack of definition for ‘natural and cultural resources,’ this is an inappropriate change for a division that manages state vehicular recreation areas. This is not even a definition that has been adopted by parks, because the department recognizes the need to combine recreation activities with environmental protections. Some areas are set aside by the state as reserves that have extraordinary natural conditions, but state vehicular recreation areas are largely located on highly disturbed land that was acquired by the state for the specific reason of offering motorized recreation. The need to redefine the purpose of the division is not explained because the premise is contradictory by its very language.

Section 11 also has proposed the elimination of the words; ‘to the extent possible’ when talking of restoration work taking place in state vehicular recreation areas. The bill seeks to portray and require restoration work to be done in an absolute fashion, and be fully mitigated no matter the cause of the damage. Rain and other weather phenomena can cause considerable damage yet the effect of this damage is not differentiated from ongoing maintenance due to OHV activities. Other state parks are not responsible for acts of Mother Nature and it is inappropriate to place that burden on this program and this division. Minimizing impact to land from all forms of human interaction, whether through motorized or non-motorized activities is a goal already undertaken by all park units to the extent possible, therefore we request the restoration of those words to this section.


To be clear, adding numerous agencies for consultation and written reports as requirements to be produced, does nothing to improve environmental conditions on the ground. The redirected time will make performing environmental activities and restoration difficult, be extremely time consuming and add a considerable cost consideration for all entities concerned, when there is no indication that anything is amiss in the current program. These new requirements would cause a diminishment in environmental conditions, which those with experience in off-road recreation management recognize with great concern.

• Section 12 seeks to expand the concept of ‘wildlife corridors’ beyond the limited and voluntary scope defined in PRC section 1305.5 (c) (1), which was discussed in this Committee as recently as the last session of the legislature. Accepting this language will expose the OHV program to additional litigation and could open up ramifications to all state parks should this concept be expanded as proposed here.


Senator Allen, we respectfully regret that the coalition must request the members of the Assembly Water, Parks and Wildlife Committee take an oppose position on SB 249.


The OHMVR Division does much more than manage State Vehicular Recreation Areas; everything from law enforcement to the economic viability of rural counties and the interests of federal and local partners is integrated within the management of this division. Unfortunately, in talking with Parks the new environmental costs exceed eleven million dollars, and the environmental precedents being set are above even what is expected in non-ohmvr parks.
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I just talked to Senator Beall's office. S.B. 249 goes next to the appropriations committee.

I think we need to do a better job of contacting our legislators. I have mentioned that all my representatives have told me that they keep score of constituents that contact them in favor of, or opposed to, a bill.

Beall's office just told me that they have had more folks tell them to support SB 249 than not. This is bad. There are more of us than Celeste and her pals, I think.

Please contact you assemblyperson and state Senator...
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I just talked to Senator Beall's office. S.B. 249 goes next to the appropriations committee.

I think we need to do a better job of contacting our legislators. i have mentioned that all my representatives have told me that they keep score of constituents that contact them in favor of, or opposed to, a bill.

Beall's office just told me that they have had more folks tell them to support SB 249 than not. Tis is bad. There are more of us than Celeste and her pals, i think.

Please contact you assemblyperson and state Senator...
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I've started carrying my letters on the trail to get people to sign with their address. I then look up the right people to send them to. I think I'll start sending them to the Governor as well.
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from Diana at CORVA:

Every one of us has both a State Senator and an Assembly member. Ask them to oppose SB249…ask, tell, demand and plead. Make sure they know where you stand and that you are a constituent. I promise they are keeping track, and those in support are registering their preference. Each of our representatives accept email from their constituents. The time commitment is very small. The impact is critical.

The Story:

What we know:
California has a nationally recognized OHV program.
The program is self funded, which means unlike regular State Parks, the SVRA’s get no money from the general fund. We pay for them, AND we also fund all other state parks through our taxes.
Our program is due to sunset in December this year.

Moving its way through the legislature is SB249. This bill was introduced by Senator Allen, who was recruited to carry the bill by anti OHV advocates. That is the simple statement. What I need every one of you to understand is 11 of the 21 groups that signed onto support of the initial bill, originated with the anti Carnegie expansion people. Eleven out of twenty one!!!!!! To me this says those who oppose OHV at Carnegie, are attempting to influence state law!

Over the last few months your advocates, including CORVA, have gotten some of the most detrimental aspects of the bill removed, but it still will hurt our program as it is today. As taxpayers, we anticipate we won’t allocate resources to fix what isn’t broken, like our OHV program. Instead, it would make sense to tweak the program as it stands to “fix” what either doesn’t work as it should, and change what doesn’t match current state programs. Over the last three years, there have been several changes to the State Parks department and programs. Of course, the OHV Division should be configured to integrate these changes.

BUT the fact is, we have a program that works! USFS, the BLM, statewide law enforcement, associations that educate, clean up, or restore all get grant dollars from the program that they have come to depend on. The nine SVRA’s operation and expansion budgets come from the program. The DMV gets dollars to issue OHV registrations. Rural counties and the California HIghway Patrol also have some budget inflow from the OHV program.

Yet a few people who have been able to convince some very powerful and connected people that OHV in California is all BAD, are positioned to compromise our program. As I look at this, I am fascinated that this is happening despite how the program benefits all but the few city dwellers who never leave their urban environment. Every single unpaved road in the state of California is “off highway” and all get some maintenance funding from the program. Every single trail, that offers access to hunting, fishing, rock hounding, geocaching, or even just scenic vistas, gets some help from the program.

AND lets look at the reverse psychology. It has taken us over 20 years to grow a program that offers incentives to OHV users to enjoy their recreation, safely, in appropriate venues and sustainably. Twenty plus years of effort, in jepaordy because a few NIMBY citizens don’t want OHV anywhere near where they live, or play, or might one day want to go. At the same time UTV’s and dirt bikes are being sold at an all time high. Where do they think these people will operate them? I invite you to accept that they simply don’t care.

AND before any of us go off on liberals, democrats or environmentalists, I promise you there are plenty of those three who enjoy OHV. Some of them are our biggest advocates.

I have written before about Carnegie, the expansion and what we MUST do to protect what we love. I have also explained why, where Carnegie is located today and where the expansion will happen, are the best possible options for OHV in the Bay Area. I am happy to get any of you information on these topics if you need it.

Now the issue is bigger, much bigger. The very same adversaries are attempting to control OHV in CA for the years to come. WE CANNOT ALLOW THIS. Be heard.

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Name: Butch
I just spoke with Julianne with Allen's (the bill's author) Sacramento Office (916) 651-4026 http://sd26.senate.ca.gov
the bill is with the Assembly Appropriations Committee and there will be another hearing for public comment.

I had Julianne note my opposition to the bill as written.
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Hodaka Ace 90. I've been riding these things too long. What can I say? How about that Combat Wombat?

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