Hit & Run - Need Help - BARF

PorradaVFR · 05-30-2018, 09:55 AM

My car was hit in a parking lot yesterday as I was having lunch. A nice witness took note of the license plate but when the responding officers looked it up it didn’t match any vehicles.

If any of the BARF LEOs could help check a couple of alternatives I’m hoping I can find the offender.

I don’t need to get the info myself if that violates policy - but if you can advise the officer using the case number that would be really helpful.

Here’s what I have:

Beige Honda sedan - estimated to be a older (2000’s, maybe 2010’s)
Plate#3WOF111 (that’s what the witness wrote down)
incident was at ~12:30 on 5/29

Case#18-149-0564
SJPD Officer D. Anderson #3177

The officer also tried 3WFO111 with no luck. I’m wondering if it might be one of these:

8WOF111
8WQF111
8WFO111 (the witness said they might have swapped the F and O)
8WFQ111

Per the officer all CA plates are number / 3 letters / 3 numbers so I figure the ‘111’ is accurate. They were sure about older beige (maybe gold?) Honda sedan - I figure Accord or Civic.

Thank you if you can help - please post any tips if I’ve missed something. If I can’t find the car I’m going to get hit with the deductible (they can’t use my uninsured if I can’t prove the other car was uninsured...

).

Thanks!

Junkie · 05-30-2018, 10:17 AM

A 3W plate would be mid to late 90s - I'm thinking 97ish.

8W plates aren't out yet.

https://www.bar.ca.gov/pubwebquery/V...PubTstQry.aspx you can try looking up smog history there, which will tell you if the plate has been registered recently

PorradaVFR · 05-30-2018, 10:34 AM

Thank you - I didn’t know the first number was sequential...that unfortunately take the wind out of my sails...if the witness was mostly right and the 3 is correct...maybe the W was an M? will poke around that link, thank you.

PorradaVFR · 05-30-2018, 10:44 AM

Hmm...’3WOR111’ comes back to a 1997 Camry that was tested last June - can anyone see if it’s gold/beige? No other combination was as close (either last tested ages ago or blank). I could see someone mistaking an old Toyota for an old Honda.

295566 · 05-30-2018, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by PorradaVFR

Hmm...’3WOR111’ comes back to a 1997 Camry that was tested last June - can anyone see if it’s gold/beige? No other combination was as close (either last tested ages ago or blank). I could see someone mistaking an old Toyota for an old Honda.

FYI DMV and CLETS don't return vehicle color info. Though, it might be listed somewhere (such as RIMS) if an agency has had a previous contact with that vehicle, and listed that piece of info.

Junkie · 05-30-2018, 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PorradaVFR

Thank you - I didn’t know the first number was sequential...that unfortunately take the wind out of my sails...if the witness was mostly right and the 3 is correct...maybe the W was an M? will poke around that link, thank you.

the full number is (roughly) sequential. There are exceptions, but it's a reasonable way to guess for most cars.

MR662 · 05-30-2018, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 295566

FYI DMV and CLETS don't return vehicle color info. Though, it might be listed somewhere (such as RIMS) if an agency has had a previous contact with that vehicle, and listed that piece of info.

Thats what VIN assist is for, plate hit returns a VIN and then from VIN you can get color.

OP, you can give your insurance the plate(s) as well and there are other systems such as ISO Claims where they can get vehicle info.

**bojangle** · 05-30-2018, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PorradaVFR

My car was hit in a parking lot yesterday as I was having lunch. A nice witness took note of the license plate but when the responding officers looked it up it didn’t match any vehicles.

If any of the BARF LEOs could help check a couple of alternatives I’m hoping I can find the offender.

I don’t need to get the info myself if that violates policy - but if you can advise the officer using the case number that would be really helpful.

Here’s what I have:

Beige Honda sedan - estimated to be a older (2000’s, maybe 2010’s)
Plate#3WOF111 (that’s what the witness wrote down)
incident was at ~12:30 on 5/29

Case#18-149-0564
SJPD Officer D. Anderson #3177

The officer also tried 3WFO111 with no luck. I’m wondering if it might be one of these:

8WOF111
8WQF111
8WFO111 (the witness said they might have swapped the F and O)
8WFQ111

Per the officer all CA plates are number / 3 letters / 3 numbers so I figure the ‘111’ is accurate. They were sure about older beige (maybe gold?) Honda sedan - I figure Accord or Civic.

Thank you if you can help - please post any tips if I’ve missed something. If I can’t find the car I’m going to get hit with the deductible (they can’t use my uninsured if I can’t prove the other car was uninsured...

).

Thanks!

Ds can be mistaken for Os on a plate as well.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeR

Thats what VIN assist is for, plate hit returns a VIN and then from VIN you can get color.

OP, you can give your insurance the plate(s) as well and there are other systems such as ISO Claims where they can get vehicle info.

It's been quite a while since I used VIN Assist, but from what I remember, I wasn't able to get a color from it.

MR662 · 05-30-2018, 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bojangle

Ds can be mistaken for Os on a plate as well.

It's been quite a while since I used VIN Assist, but from what I remember, I wasn't able to get a color from it.

The one we use through ISO claims is part of NCIB and it works. Not sure what system you have. A standard VIN doesn't have color option as a VIN is just year, model, Plant, engine and production #, so not sure how they pull the info since color code is normally a separate sticker on door of car.

PorradaVFR · 05-30-2018, 05:31 PM

So after speaking with SJPD and State Farm this may be a dead end - I can’t say with any certainty who hit me since I didn’t see it at all and the witness, well intentioned and really nice, didn’t get the plate # so if it wasn’t the Camry (as I suspect, but do not know) I might be causing a hassle to an innocent person.

My only legal recourse is to file an amended report and hope the SJPD can track down and confirm the Camry was involved - but the odds of them doing so look long at best since my “proof” is minimal.

Thanks guys, I really appreciate your input and efforts to help. Guess this time the SOB is going to get away with it.

**Nick** · 05-30-2018, 06:19 PM

3WOE111 is also a 1997 Toyota Camry.

You can also use CARFAX to get vehicle year/make/model without paying for anything. I keep the CARFAX app handy on my phone for that exact reason.

PorradaVFR · 05-31-2018, 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick

3WOE111 is also a 1997 Toyota Camry.

You can also use CARFAX to get vehicle year/make/model without paying for anything. I keep the CARFAX app handy on my phone for that exact reason.

Good tip, will try it. I dismissed 3WOE111 as the last test was 2016 and the other was 2017 - I figured the former was no longer a valid tag.

Junkie · 05-31-2018, 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PorradaVFR

Good tip, will try it. I dismissed 3WOE111 as the last test was 2016 and the other was 2017 - I figured the former was no longer a valid tag.

smog tests are every 2 years, so 8/3/16 means it could still have current tags

**Nick** · 05-31-2018, 11:11 AM

And there are plenty of cars on the road with registration expired beyond 2 years. I stopped car expired since 2014 just last week.

TheRiddler · 05-31-2018, 10:19 PM

And not every county requires smog checks.

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Junkie re-tarded Contributor + 3% Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Alameda Motorcycles: SV1000,WR450tards(03FS), YZ426tard,NC700X Name: Daniel	A 3W plate would be mid to late 90s - I'm thinking 97ish. 8W plates aren't out yet. https://www.bar.ca.gov/pubwebquery/V...PubTstQry.aspx you can try looking up smog history there, which will tell you if the plate has been registered recently Last edited by Junkie; 05-30-2018 at 10:18 AM..

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Nick . BARF Moderator Founding Member Contributor + Join Date: May 2002 Location: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Motorcycles: make vroom noises Name: .	3WOE111 is also a 1997 Toyota Camry. You can also use CARFAX to get vehicle year/make/model without paying for anything. I keep the CARFAX app handy on my phone for that exact reason. __________________ BARF Terms of Service

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Nick . BARF Moderator Founding Member Contributor + Join Date: May 2002 Location: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Motorcycles: make vroom noises Name: .	And there are plenty of cars on the road with registration expired beyond 2 years. I stopped car expired since 2014 just last week. __________________ BARF Terms of Service

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05-31-2018, 10:19 PM	#15
TheRiddler Riddle me this. AMA #: 1099639 Contributor + 1% Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: California Motorcycles: Any of the two-wheeled kind. Name: Yep	And not every county requires smog checks.