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Old 10-11-2018, 10:08 PM   #1
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Laser jammer?

Probably my first post in this forum ever. Anyways, I’m working on this car and I find a bunch of aftermarket electronics in it. After finding all it of, it’s a really fancy radar/laser detector setup. But there’s more. It has laser “shifter” arrays as well. A quick check says these are illegal here in CA. I assume it’s a fix it ticket if you’re caught with it. But another line of the law says if your caught with four or more devices then it’s a misdemeanor.

So my question is, what constitutes one device? Is it the whole system, or is each component of the system a device? If there’s enough arrays and such, can this guy be arrested on the spot for having this thing?

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Old 10-12-2018, 07:13 AM   #2
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From what I just reads (out of curiosity) is that they are legal to own, but not use (in some states).
Unlike Radar jammers which are illegal to own and use.
(now isn't that a fine line)

Apparently radar is controlled by FCC and Laser is controlled by the FDA.

Curious to hear what LEO have to say tho.
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Old 10-12-2018, 08:15 AM   #3
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My understanding is that radar jammers are illegal but laser jammers may or may not be illegal depending upon the state. I'm interested to see what the leo's say.

It should be noted that while a good laser jammer can work part of the time at longer distances, radar jammers are completely useless. Radar jammers have been tested many, many times and found to do nothing to prevent getting locked onto and having your speed read. One of the top radar detector sites even did a test with a huge radar jammer, one that was as big as a home theatre amplifier (it had to be strapped to the passenger seat), and though it was many times more powerful than the typical jammer sold, it was useless as well.
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Old 10-12-2018, 10:33 AM   #4
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(a) No vehicle shall be equipped with any device that is designed for, or is capable of, jamming, scrambling, neutralizing, disabling, or otherwise interfering with radar, laser, or any other electronic device used by a law enforcement agency to measure the speed of moving objects.

(b) No person shall use, buy, possess, manufacture, sell, or otherwise distribute any device that is designed for jamming, scrambling, neutralizing, disabling, or otherwise interfering with radar, laser, or any other electronic device used by a law enforcement agency to measure the speed of moving objects.

(c) Except as provided in subdivision (d), a violation of subdivision (a) or (b) is an infraction.

(d) When a person possesses four or more devices in violation of subdivision (b), the person is guilty of a misdemeanor.

(e) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, a person who has a valid federal license for operating the devices described in this section may transport one or more of those devices if the license is carried in the vehicle transporting the device at all times when the device is being transported.
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essentially to answer your question "4 or more" is really for the sale and control of these items (buying selling distributing building etc)... having your car outfitted with some stupid laser shifting array, even 4 devices all working together, is going to net the same fix it ticket

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Old 10-12-2018, 12:35 PM   #5
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Does cvc really have the jurisdiction to regulate buying, selling, and mfg, etc. of such devices?
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Old 10-12-2018, 01:09 PM   #6
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Why wouldn't state law be allowed to prohibit that?
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Old 10-12-2018, 01:46 PM   #7
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I'm not saying state laws should not prohibit that, it just seemed odd that cvc would address general manufacture or possession of something, so one is in violation of vehicle code when not engaging in motor vehicle operation in any way. It's like cvc regulating general possession of alcohol or weed or firearms in your home.
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You can own a laser jammer but depending upon the state, you cannot use it.

Radar jammers, even though they don't work at all, are prohibited on a federal level.
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ST Guy, how do you come to that conclusion after reading section b of the statute posted above?
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I said depending upon the state. Also, as I recall, once upon a time, it wasn't illegal in California. Apparently things have changed.

Keep in mind I'm an old fart.
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I'm not saying state laws should not prohibit that, it just seemed odd that cvc would address general manufacture or possession of something, so one is in violation of vehicle code when not engaging in motor vehicle operation in any way. It's like cvc regulating general possession of alcohol or weed or firearms in your home.
It has to do with vehicles, throw it in the vehicle code...

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Old 10-13-2018, 08:08 AM   #12
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I'm not saying state laws should not prohibit that, it just seemed odd that cvc would address general manufacture or possession of something, so one is in violation of vehicle code when not engaging in motor vehicle operation in any way. It's like cvc regulating general possession of alcohol or weed or firearms in your home.
It may also be prohibited in another collection of codes such as Business and Professions Code or Health and Safety Code. Then there are also federal laws to consider.
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Old 10-14-2018, 10:34 AM   #14
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essentially to answer your question "4 or more" is really for the sale and control of these items (buying selling distributing building etc)... having your car outfitted with some stupid laser shifting array, even 4 devices all working together, is going to net the same fix it ticket
So I found four laser shifter arrays on the car. Plus radar/laser detectors and a very elaborate control box.

With installation labor, I’d guess that this system (Escort ShifterMax) probably cost the owner well over $4k to put on. That’s a helluva thing to have to remove if you get caught with it.
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^ Standard to have multiple laser jammers for 1 install. Usually it's 3, 2 in the front, 1 in the rear (near the license plate).

I haven't heard of anyone in a car being caught with a laser jammer, because it's not visible as it's installed behind the front grill and bumpers (not visible).

Curious, what type of car has this installed?
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