Remodeling My Kitchen - Page 4 - BARF

Sharxfan · 10-25-2018, 09:22 AM

I kind of thank God that my house was built in 2004 because having to redo all the electrical would suck. All I had to do was run a few more boxes off existing circuit to give me 2 new outlets. I already had everything else wired separate and the 50 amp circuit for the stove as we have a dual fuel stove. Gas top electric oven. Makes it nice when the power goes out I can still do pretty much everything cooking wise.

afm199 · 10-25-2018, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by auntiebling

Listen to this man
Microwave gets a dedicated 20amp circuit now as well, at least it does in santa clara, and standard cod requires 2 GFCI 20A circuits for general use in the kitchen as well so the minimum number of free spaces in the electrical panel would need to be 4 (assuming there is one that can be reused and upgraded ton20 amp from the existing layout. If its shared to another room, 5 free slots would be needed... unless afm199 corrects me)

Generally correct. When we do new kitchens, we count on allocating 7 circuits to be safe.

Disposal, Dishwasher, any built in, two area circuits, lighting circuit ( can't have plugs on it, except the one behind the stove) and microwave. Sometimes that is not enough. Some Sub Zero reefers need their own circuit, and also countertop conveciton ovens.

**auntiebling** · 10-25-2018, 10:05 AM

I forgot about the fridge. Dedicated 15 amp there too. Also had to be tamper proof, because my kids are going to.move the huge fridge, grow 3 feet and stick their fingers in the plug...

afm199 · 10-25-2018, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by auntiebling

I forgot about the fridge. Dedicated 15 amp there too. Also had to be tamper proof, because my kids are going to.move the huge fridge, grow 3 feet and stick their fingers in the plug...

Yes, that has always pissed me off. That particular plug seems to be the only GFI in the kitchen that trips, lol.

**bikeama** · 10-25-2018, 10:38 AM

For me, on electrical I have a 200 amp panel. The panel is full, I have already added one tandem breaker to add a circuit for my air compressor in the garage. I have 5 circuits (20 amp) marked Kitchen and Dining Room. I will need to check and find out what plugs they are on. May just switch the kitchen breakers to GFCI. I know my dishwasher and disposal are on the same plug, assume circuit. If I need any more breakers will need to change some to tandem or add a subpanel.

My only big concern will be I am on a slab. Having a gas range in the island will mean cutting the slab and running conduits under for gas and electric. Will need to check code to see what is required.

Sharxfan · 10-25-2018, 11:31 AM

Slab here too. That is one major reason why I didn't want to move anything not really feeling cutting into the slab to add stuff.

mrmarklin · 10-25-2018, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by bikeama

Question for those in the Bay Area. Where is a good place to look at some slide in ranges or larger cooktops? We are looking at a 36" range or cooktop. Still not sure if we want a separate oven or a slide in unit. Not much to look at in Stockton. Sacramento may have somewhere to look. Looking at gas not electric.

Airport Appliance in Hayward carries a lot of nice stuff. Not all of it is super high end.

Abacinator · 10-25-2018, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by auntiebling

Listen to this man
Microwave gets a dedicated 20amp circuit now as well, at least it does in santa clara, and standard cod requires 2 GFCI 20A circuits for general use in the kitchen as well so the minimum number of free spaces in the electrical panel would need to be 4 (assuming there is one that can be reused and upgraded ton20 amp from the existing layout. If its shared to another room, 5 free slots would be needed... unless afm199 corrects me)

The dingdong who did janky work to the kitchen in our house for the previous owner pulled power from the bathroom for the microwave. So you can't heat food and blow-dry your hair at the same time

We plan to ditch the electric range for gas. Would it be doable to split the 220 outlet into two separate circuits, one for range electronics and the other for the microwave?

m_asim · 10-25-2018, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Melissa

what's the difference between custom cabinets and regular ones?
clueless.

Unless you have huge budget, stick with regular ones from Ikea. Their cabinets are warranted for 25 years.

**auntiebling** · 10-26-2018, 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Abacinator

The dingdong who did janky work to the kitchen in our house for the previous owner pulled power from the bathroom for the microwave. So you can't heat food and blow-dry your hair at the same time

We plan to ditch the electric range for gas. Would it be doable to split the 220 outlet into two separate circuits, one for range electronics and the other for the microwave?

You'll probably still need a dedicated 50a 220 for the oven, and want it because gas ovens aren't as awesome. "Dual fuel" is the industry lingo.

Afm199 is the one that should answer the rest. My guess is no

Melissa · 10-26-2018, 04:30 AM

I never thought about how complicated the electrical issues might be. Thanks for all of the suggestions. I greatly appreciate all information.!

What are the downsides of having Lowe's do the entire project?

**auntiebling** · 10-26-2018, 05:02 AM

Having a big box do the entire thing is the expensive route. They add profit on top, as does thev3rd party contractor managing any subs and baking in their own profit.

Forgot: Stove hood gets it's own circuit too

Melissa · 10-26-2018, 05:36 AM

more electrical knowledge!

Thinking if Lowe's did the entire job I could get a good discount and hold one entity responsible for the work done.

**auntiebling** · 10-26-2018, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Melissa

more electrical knowledge!

Thinking if Lowe's did the entire job I could get a good discount and hold one entity responsible for the work done.

You get a discount because it's all more expensive as a baseline.

We did open an account there, first purchase is %10 or or something like that. If you can hang a bunch of purchases together for stuff you might be buying yourself to save a little cost, that works. Fixtures, appliances etc. New toilets, garden hose, whatever. Doesnt have to be part of the kitchen remodel

gnahc79 · 10-26-2018, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Melissa

more electrical knowledge!

Thinking if Lowe's did the entire job I could get a good discount and hold one entity responsible for the work done.

Lowe's is where we went first

. The mrs and I REALLY like having Lowe's on the hook for any shenanigans that could occur with the contractors. However it is more $$$.
Instead we're likely going with the traditional contractor route, only because the contractor is remodeling my FIL's home first. The contractor is azn and refers to my FIL as 'elder one'...meaning my FIL is Lowe's

10-25-2018, 10:38 AM	#50
bikeama Super Moderator AMA #: 1097 BARF Moderator Contributor + 1% Join Date: May 2008 Location: Stockton CA Motorcycles: 2016 Multistrada ST Name: Bill	For me, on electrical I have a 200 amp panel. The panel is full, I have already added one tandem breaker to add a circuit for my air compressor in the garage. I have 5 circuits (20 amp) marked Kitchen and Dining Room. I will need to check and find out what plugs they are on. May just switch the kitchen breakers to GFCI. I know my dishwasher and disposal are on the same plug, assume circuit. If I need any more breakers will need to change some to tandem or add a subpanel. My only big concern will be I am on a slab. Having a gas range in the island will mean cutting the slab and running conduits under for gas and electric. Will need to check code to see what is required. __________________ Keep your best wheel forward. Terms of Service: http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/info/tos.php RULES FOR CLASSIFIED. My travel Blog, see tab on Motorcycle Trips for ride reports

10-26-2018, 04:30 AM	#56
Melissa Veteran BARFie Winner '06 Founding Member Contributor ++++++++ Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: West Sac Motorcycles: 2002 VTR Name:	I never thought about how complicated the electrical issues might be. Thanks for all of the suggestions. I greatly appreciate all information.! What are the downsides of having Lowe's do the entire project? __________________ surely not everyone was kung fu fighting.

10-26-2018, 05:36 AM	#58
Melissa Veteran BARFie Winner '06 Founding Member Contributor ++++++++ Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: West Sac Motorcycles: 2002 VTR Name:	more electrical knowledge! Thinking if Lowe's did the entire job I could get a good discount and hold one entity responsible for the work done. __________________ surely not everyone was kung fu fighting.

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10-25-2018, 09:22 AM	#46
Sharxfan Veteran Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: with the alligators Motorcycles: SV1000 s Name:	I kind of thank God that my house was built in 2004 because having to redo all the electrical would suck. All I had to do was run a few more boxes off existing circuit to give me 2 new outlets. I already had everything else wired separate and the 50 amp circuit for the stove as we have a dual fuel stove. Gas top electric oven. Makes it nice when the power goes out I can still do pretty much everything cooking wise.

10-25-2018, 11:31 AM	#51
Sharxfan Veteran Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: with the alligators Motorcycles: SV1000 s Name:	Slab here too. That is one major reason why I didn't want to move anything not really feeling cutting into the slab to add stuff.