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Old 11-04-2018, 09:27 AM   #31
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I don't give warnings for cell phones because it's one of the few violations where the fine is disproportionately low relative to the danger. If a driver is so distracted that I saw them on their phone before they saw me in my fully marked car, they earned it.
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Old 11-05-2018, 02:01 PM   #32
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Thanks for sharing in my frustration everyone. I realize credible ticketable video evidence of cellphone drivers isn't feasible. I appreciate LEO who are on lookout for offenders. And for those who say "go about your ride", that's exactly what I do. But, that doesn't mean that I cannot be frustrated and want perpetrators be fined, especially when their behavior is illegal and dangerous to me and others. Multiple ways to solve this problem
1) Increase fines. Distracted cellphone driving is worse than DWI, but we fine and prosecute both very differently.
2) Increase public transportation in the area. You can text and talk as much as you want on Bart and buses. Will also decrease traffic congestion
3) Set good examples for younger drivers. I've seen so many parents use their phones while driving with impressionable kids.
I am sure there are other ways as well. Just the few I could think of.
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Old 11-05-2018, 02:37 PM   #33
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1) Increase fines. Distracted cellphone driving is worse than DWI, but we fine and prosecute both very differently.
Can't agree with this. If you're fiddling with your phone and recognize a problem ahead, you can put it down and deal with it. You can't become unintoxicated.
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Old 11-05-2018, 02:51 PM   #34
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Can't agree with this. If you're fiddling with your phone and recognize a problem ahead, you can put it down and deal with it. You can't become unintoxicated.
Having been rear-ended by someone who was fiddling with a phone, didn't recognize a problem and didn't deal with it, I'm not very persuaded. A bit of comparative data:

Drunk Driving
10,265 deaths in 2015
290,000 injuries in 2015

Distracted Driving
3,477 deaths in 2015
391,000 injuries in 2015

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Drunk driving is more common at different times of day than distracted driving. There are a variety of other factors too, but distracted driving is a big problem and drivers don't seem to be solving it by "recognizing a problem" and putting the phone down.
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Old 11-05-2018, 02:58 PM   #35
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Can't agree with this. If you're fiddling with your phone and recognize a problem ahead, you can put it down and deal with it. You can't become unintoxicated.
I've heard the opposite argument; when a drunk is behind the wheel, at least someone is looking at the road.
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Old 11-05-2018, 03:13 PM   #36
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Can't agree with this. If you're fiddling with your phone and recognize a problem ahead, you can put it down and deal with it. You can't become unintoxicated.
An awful lot of 'problems' happen in a second or two or less.

From observation, I'd guess most people who are clutching and staring at their phones while driving wouldn't dream of taking a second to put the phone down before attempting an emergency stop or other evasive action.
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Can't agree with this. If you're fiddling with your phone and recognize a problem ahead, you can put it down and deal with it. You can't become unintoxicated.
I think its the issue of recognizing a problem ahead, you're distracted to a point where you aren't able to recognize a problem till its too late. Sure you maybe able to react faster on account of being sober, but you've taken away that advantage by being distracted.
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Old 11-05-2018, 04:44 PM   #38
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We're comparing them as if it's one or the other.

I imagine plenty of intoxicated drivers are playing with their phones.
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Old 11-05-2018, 04:55 PM   #39
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We're comparing them as if it's one or the other.

I imagine plenty of intoxicated drivers are playing with their phones.
Exactly. Which makes DUI always more dangerous. IMO
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Old 11-05-2018, 05:06 PM   #40
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1) Increase fines. Distracted cellphone driving is worse than DWI, but we fine and prosecute both very differently.
I disagree with this. Increasing the penalty for undesirable behavior won't reduce that behavior if the chance of getting caught is low. A more severe penalty is effective only if the perpetrator thinks it is likely that it will be applied to him. And most drivers don't think they're going to get caught talking on the phone.

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If you're fiddling with your phone and recognize a problem ahead, you can put it down and deal with it. You can't become unintoxicated.
I do agree with this. A reasonable person--and most of us ARE reasonable--understands the danger of distraction and would not use the phone while driving when risk is high. Alcohol or weed, OTOH, makes you stupid, so you're unable to distinguish high from low risk, or just don't care.

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Having been rear-ended by someone who was fiddling with a phone, didn't recognize a problem and didn't deal with it, I'm not very persuaded. A bit of comparative data:

Drunk Driving
10,265 deaths in 2015
290,000 injuries in 2015

Distracted Driving
3,477 deaths in 2015
391,000 injuries in 2015

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Beyond the source you linked, the distraction data difficult to track down, but it apparently came from NHTSA's Distracted Driving 2015.

Trouble is, "distracted" doesn't mean what you think it means.

In a quick-and-dirty tally of 2015 distracted driving victims from my copy of the same database, I found 260,000 injuries. However, that was only occupants of the vehicle with the distracted driver--I didn't get peds or other vehicle occupants. It would take additional effort to verify the 391,000 victims reported by NHTSA. That said, here are the top 5 kinds of distraction in my count:

typecount
inattentive, details unknown 81,418
looked but did not see 48,898
outside person, object or event 20,760
distracted, details unknown 16,729
cellphone 16,135

IOW, the anti-cellphone literature falsely conflates "distraction" and "cellphone".

For another data point I looked at CHP's SWITRS database for 2017 crashes. Less than 1% of drivers are reported to be inattentive due to cellphone.


DISCLAIMER: I regard cell phones as the spawn of the devil. I have one of course--a very dumb one--but never use it while driving or riding. Or even while bicycling and seldom while walking.
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I used "distracted" in a thread about cell phone use, which would suggest I think it's the same thing. While I know it isn't, I think there are a lot of cell phones hiding in "details unknown."
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Old 11-05-2018, 07:18 PM   #42
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The problem with tallying cell phone related crashes is that it usually relies on the honesty of the driver. I ask, they say no, and it's not indicated in the report. That doesn't make them any less "at fault", but I'd say it's pretty well underreported.

This is compared to DUI cases where arrests don't rely on the honesty of the driver.
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In theory, proving cell phone use might not require the driver’s honesty either, but it may not be as practical to do as a sobriety test.
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Old 11-06-2018, 07:19 AM   #44
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I am saying, this is what I have observed over the 40+ years I have been riding on the street and car drivers not paying attention hasn't changed much at all.

They don't see us, they drift all over the road, etc.

This is the way it is.

Getting wound up about it is, in my view, as useful as getting wound up about finding mail in the mailbox when you get home every day.

Getting wound up about it just hurts you.

Expect they don't see us and will drift all over the place, plan to evade them and ride past them, using your evading plan, if necessary.

and live a much better, calmer, more enjoyable life.
Exactly, hasn't changed much except more folks on the phone when driving than there used to be...

The other thing is manners; where have they gone?

Back in the day, when I would buy something at the store, typically the teller would say "thank you." I would reply thank you....& off I'd go.

Nowadays people behind the register say "no problem!" Wha? It was almost a problem waiting on me? Where's the thank you?

I don't get it...???
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Can't agree with this. If you're fiddling with your phone and recognize a problem ahead, you can put it down and deal with it. You can't become unintoxicated.
I got plowed into by a Ford F550 with a guy on his cell phone. He didn't deal with anything, including hitting his brakes.

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