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Old 11-08-2018, 07:13 AM   #16
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He was a bad ass before my time as was Surtees.
Ago and Hailwood I read about.

Surtees still may be the ultimate bad ass but in my book there is one goat as of today. His number is 46.
I was lucky enough to see Surtees race bikes and cars. Amazing time.

I agree, #46 is the GOAT and will be for some time. It's quite possible MM may surpass him, but not yet.
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Old 11-09-2018, 04:11 PM   #17
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Marquez is no doubt something different and very special. And certainly the only alien on the grid now, towering above everyone else. But he's only five years in. He probably needs to make it another 5-10 years with a similar degree of success before most would call him the GOAT. Longevity is a significant factor in the equation. And direct comparisons are always difficult. Comparing riders from different eras is apples and oranges to some extent. Not to mention, you're seeing Marquez compete against a 40 year old Rossi. That he's on the grid at 40 is insane. That's he's able to fight for wins when he has the bike under him is incomprehensible. Marquez has a long ways to go to claim GOAT.

And I would add MM is CLEARLY the GORN
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Old 11-09-2018, 04:57 PM   #18
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Pretty solid list. This is mine.. not points.. all guts!

Rossi
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Hailwood
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Good list other than a lack of nationalism in the top 7!
I have Lawson over Doohan, the back to back on different brands impressed me almost as much as watching his Kawasaki superbike weave at 160+ through the Kettle Downs of Road America. Rainey Roberts Spencer is tough as Roberts was Making America Great on the most popular world stage and I was following thanks to Cycle News. While this appears to be an OG forum I've only read about racers that afm199 has seen, and it affects my thinking.
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Old 11-09-2018, 05:41 PM   #20
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Lawson is my fav. Awesome racer. The guy I patterned my racing after. SMMMOOOOOTHH!

As far as skill. He belongs right at the top IMO but as far as success a bit lower.
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I was watching 2008 Jerez race (MotoGP), where Rossi came in second. The announcer said:"Never ever write off Valentino Rossi, 29 years old and still a threat."
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so funny that the maths had to be contrived to put Agostini second.
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50/50 current odds Marquez doesn't claim GOAT title. He won't last long enough. That shoulder will end his career, a la Spies. Coming out waaaay too often now for a 25 year old....
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50/50 current odds Marquez doesn't claim GOAT title. He won't last long enough. That shoulder will end his career, a la Spies. Coming out waaaay too often now for a 25 year old....
Once a day? That's not that bad is it?
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Wonder how it'll feel after another 30 odd crashes next year....
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Wonder how it'll feel after another 30 odd crashes next year....
Since he's getting a T2000 Terminator shoulder installed, probably great.
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As I've said before, I'm not exactly sure who the GOAT is (either Rossi or Ago) but Marquez is the GORN.

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