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Old 01-16-2013, 09:27 PM   #16
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What other organization is there, with as much political clout, for moto riders?
As other folks have said, I'm no longer certain the AMA represents actual riders.

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I tell you one thing the AMA gives me that I love. MOTOW. For electronic renewal you get coverage for your bikes and cars. Gas delivery, battery boost, towing all included. I've had the bad luck to need the towing service a couple of times and it is a great benefit. Also, consider that the AMA is the ONLY group representing us in Washington. They ain't perfect but it's way better than nothing.
I get that through my insurance company for a whopping $10/yr. Given that I live in the bay area, there are a a dozen towers around here, who're cheap as hell and provide great service. I'd rather throw them my money anyway.

I want to have another national organization that would represent the needs of actual riders, and I still haven't found one.
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Old 01-17-2013, 11:48 AM   #17
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As other folks have said, I'm no longer certain the AMA represents actual riders.



I get that through my insurance company for a whopping $10/yr. Given that I live in the bay area, there are a a dozen towers around here, who're cheap as hell and provide great service. I'd rather throw them my money anyway.

I want to have another national organization that would represent the needs of actual riders, and I still haven't found one.
So you'd rather have absolutely no one representing motorcyclists in Washington at all, vs one that may not tailor itself to your specific wants. Seems pretty short sighted to me.
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Old 01-17-2013, 12:50 PM   #18
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So you'd rather have absolutely no one representing motorcyclists in Washington at all, vs one that may not tailor itself to your specific wants. Seems pretty short sighted to me.
Not exactly what I said.

I'd rather there were a lobbying organization that wasn't outright trying to kill its constituency in the name of "freedom." I don't see the AMA posting rider safety or awareness adverts on TV during high viewership times. Even that little gesture would improve my view of them.

Every motorcyclist awareness ad I see on youtube comes from Australia or the UK. Street safety and skills training? I don't see the AMA sponsoring that either. Instead that comes from CHP's CMSP and the MSF. But, neither of those present continued training outside of their basic and advanced (technically a refresher/intermediate) courses. Do I see advertisements on TV about that training? Not really, no.

Instead, there's this focus on removing helmet laws in all 50 states, increasing the death rate for beginning and experienced riders. I can't in good conscience donate money to that.

So. Again, answer my original question: What does the AMA lobby for that I should provide them with cash? What do they do that actually does the greater good for motorcyclists and motorcycling?
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Old 10-17-2014, 01:12 AM   #19
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where was the ama when nevada tried to get lane sharing "approved"?????

bucket law or not i like haveing the thing on my head. helps keep my eye glasses on.

never paid them a cent. never needed a bike towed (only good for under 40 miles). not worth it for that. and most of my rides (even local ones- i live in the hills. city's are 40+ miles away from here). are for a bit more miles than that. (member of a phone tree help line ).

my medical has full coverage (through my union dues) for any reason to be seen by a Dr. covered IN FULL.
full coverage by my insurance co. (and not at rip-off rates).

so $50.usd for a cheap rag mailed to you once a month..(after being read by people working for the usps. (dog eared, worn, torn, and late ).

ama = American motorcycle manufacturers association.

never seen any of them around here...just like the nra, cal association of 4x4 clubs, and many other so called for the members...right sure. what ever.
just send money and shut up.
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Old 10-17-2014, 02:13 AM   #20
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I get your angst, op, but...
Question, though, have you even emailed/written to the AMA those specific gripes that you have placed in your postings?

Have you asked them for a clear answer on why they have not done more for lane sharing, etc....(per state).

What are the responses you are getting, if any?
btw, I'm also waiting for Texas to put it on the ballot, again (3rd time).

it's been 8-9 years since you've been a member, and now you are complaining about them? Why now?

The AMA is "actively trying to kill it's members", really? come on man, why the melodrama, when that's not true at all. You simply don't agree that they should put so much resource into that subject, but that hardly translates into this organization trying to "kill it's members".
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Old 10-17-2014, 10:21 AM   #21
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I get your angst, op, but...
Question, though, have you even emailed/written to the AMA those specific gripes that you have placed in your postings?

Have you asked them for a clear answer on why they have not done more for lane sharing, etc....(per state).

What are the responses you are getting, if any?
btw, I'm also waiting for Texas to put it on the ballot, again (3rd time).

it's been 8-9 years since you've been a member, and now you are complaining about them? Why now?

The AMA is "actively trying to kill it's members", really? come on man, why the melodrama, when that's not true at all. You simply don't agree that they should put so much resource into that subject, but that hardly translates into this organization trying to "kill it's members".
another said they are trying to kill people. this i do not believe.

and only cause i just found this thread.
sad but when anything good comes along, it will always get corrupted after it becomes successful. or just become a useless quagmire and die off.
now if these Washington dc lobbying groups would show themselves (not just the ama) and not stay hidden maybe i could change my mind.
sure i try to not watch much tube. i drive a lot (job) and i do not hear anything on the radio. or even see any billboard, just trying to get the eye of people in general.
other countries have open and productive campaigns promoting safety and awareness of motorcycles on the rds.

shit if i could get to be the zar of moto safety here in ca.
first i would get rich...political thing.

but would get the word out for safety. better laws are made in the open with voters knowing the truth.
not behind closed doors in a fancy lunch paid for by special interests. and all poked up with useless and not even same as the bill is talking about.

yes i am a bit down on our hired legastaters. and unknown bureaucrats.


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Old 10-18-2014, 05:05 PM   #22
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I get your angst, op, but...
Question, though, have you even emailed/written to the AMA those specific gripes that you have placed in your postings?

Have you asked them for a clear answer on why they have not done more for lane sharing, etc....(per state).
I have talked to various folks at the AMA about the lane splitting thing at great length—you can read those answers here at LaneSplittingIsLegal.com.

Of note:
- "Historically, the concept of lane splitting has been a regional issue with AMA members and motorcyclists in general. Where it is in widespread practice – California – the AMA endorses the concept and applauds the guidelines recently issued by the California Highway Patrol."

- So here’s the big question: the AMA’s position statement says it “will assist groups and individuals working to bring legal lane splitting and/or filtering to their states.” What does this actually mean? “A lot of people have a misconception about what the AMA can and can’t do, what the AMA does. The AMA is not large enough to go into each individual state as a lobby entity. We just don’t have the personnel, we just don’t have the resources. We have to rely on our members to kind of be the AMA in each individual state.”

- The AMA has had pro-splitting articles in its member magazine recently.

Oh, and let's not forget the lane splitting position statement.
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Old 10-22-2014, 11:31 AM   #24
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how about if the ama stops paying for trips (so called fact finding missions) for the top brass.
and use the cash for billboards promoting motorbike safety.
- done on a national scale.-
but that is too easy..and cheep, much lower costs compared to buying TV time during the superbowl.

maybe even just down playing the fools on bikes that make cagers fear and hate us.

i bet they could even get free time from the local leos and proper riders in helping out on that one.

nothing in your face (that turns people off).

just a couple billboards along the commute routes.

maybe even get the free public service deal on a tv. (none prime time).
maybe the producers are riders and will help out on the costs? .


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Old 02-27-2015, 01:55 AM   #25
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2 Items that they have been successful in fighting for US are ,
1. Creating a unified noise standard and measurement system . With many states, counties and cities creating individual standards for how loud is too loud ,they have pushed for the use of SAE J2825 as a way to measure motorcycle exhaust sound.
2. They are fighting a widespread clause that would invalidate your health insurance if you have an accident while riding a motorcycle. Period. Folks riding legal to the teeth and having their claims ignored because the had an accident while riding. Obamacare didn't solve this issue because nobody cared enough about it to get it exposed for what it is. A money grab by the insurance industry.
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Old 02-27-2015, 09:27 AM   #26
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I am a charter Life Member as well and damn proud of it.

Right now Nick Haris (AMA Western States Rep), Surj and I are working with Assemblyman Quirk to help guide his lane splitting bill to the best outcome possible for us.

Right now the AMA has been pushing hard on Moto Tax money being used where it is suppose to be and GDAMN... the State of California is finally looking to pay back 200M of our OHV Money...

Right now the AMA is working behind the scenes on the Anti Profiling bill here in CA, which will not allow the Po Po to arbitrarily pull over Moto's.

Right now the AMA is supporting Lane Sharing around the Country and we are seeing bills in several states moving forward.

Right now the AMA has a moto safety study going and with this and the MSF study we will have an amazing amount of data for the experts to analyze for years to come.

Right now the AMA is sanctioning so much racing it makes tens of thousands of racers and more fans enjoy the sport..

Right now... you should join and help them chase the two wheel life in the USA.
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You want the AMA to be more responsive and effective? Then we all need to JOIN. A larger organization carries more clout then a small one. So it doesn't do everything exactly they way you'd like, it is still the ONLY existing organization that has ANY of our concerns as it's main objective.
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That is truth Steve.

I, at times find it hard to accept that so many riders say they don't do this.. or represent that.. or they do this and can complain about someone who is actually DOING SOMETHING!!

Yes the want to help manufacturers of course..! Otherwise what the hell are we going to ride?

They do listen to their members.. you don't like their stance on the helmet law.?? Well fricking join so your voice can be heard...! They do support wearing one BTW.

The top brass goes on trips...? Well jeez. Thanks Obama.
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So it doesn't do everything exactly they way you'd like, it is still the ONLY existing organization that has ANY of our concerns as it's main objective.
I agree with most of the sentiment here, but the above statement is false. CORVA has some of my greatest concerns right at the top of its list of objectives.
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