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View Poll Results: Have you served?
Yes - didn't try to get out 30 42.25%
Yes - tried to get out but failed 3 4.23%
No - tried to get out successfully 8 11.27%
No - didn't try to get out 20 28.17%
Other (explain?) 14 19.72%
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Old 07-15-2018, 06:05 AM   #31
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Next time I got called up, it was a for a child molestor. One of the selection questions was could I remain impartial even if the defendant chose not to take the stand. I apparently am the only asshole who said what we all thought and said if he doesnít want to defend himself then I think heís guilty already. Of course I was immediately dismissed.
Never served but I did have to show up for jury selection for a Federal case. I figured out that the dude (High level TSA officer) and his girlfriend were charged in human trafficking. I was asked if I could be impartial and I said that if there were minors involved, hell no. I didn't get selected.

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Old 07-15-2018, 07:15 AM   #32
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Old 07-15-2018, 07:21 AM   #33
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Well, jury duty is another form of proof you are nothing more than a subject of the government.

It is my right to do what I want with my time......not the government telling me what I must do with my time.

I donít need to be on a jury to understand how the system works.

I donít want to waste my time listening to others problems, issues, bad behavior or whatever. Thatís is my right as a person.

Yes it is waste of my time......my time......not the governments time.

But the good, little subjects of the government will continue along, not knowing they are subjects of the government. It has been programmed in since the first day of school.
I wonder how you would feel if you went to trial. Who would you want to hear your case? Robots? Seeing how if everyone felt the way you do, there'd be nobody left to hear your case.
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Old 07-15-2018, 07:36 AM   #34
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Chosen for a murder drug case in SF. Intense experience. Been called upon since then but no one wants me-neither the defense or offense.
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Old 07-15-2018, 07:37 AM   #35
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I guess part of what I don't get is just how many people assume or play to their "automatically wouldn't be selected" stuff. Like, it can go either way usually right? What one side would want to disqualify you for is exactly why the other side would want to keep you, so...
During selection process, some losers were trying to seem overly strange or mentally damaged, so they could get dismissed.

7-8 people claimed they would be too emotionally "fraught" to hear a case in which guns had been used.

4-5 people claimed they had too many biases against black people. 1 of them insisted on talking to the judge in private about it.

A couple people claimed they were biased against the particular city the murder occurred in (Richmond).

1 guy, 40-something who looked like a generic office worker, claimed he was currently a prostitute because he was too unstable to hold a job for more than a few weeks.

And then of course there were a few who said that serving would cause a financial hardship to them. While it's true that employers aren't required to pay you during jury duty, many employers do it anyway (at least the ones you'd actually want to work for).
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I wonder how you would feel if you went to trial. Who would you want to hear your case? Robots? Seeing how if everyone felt the way you do, there'd be nobody left to hear your case.
I'm guessing there'd be an 'I don't recognize the authority of this court to try me' bit.
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Old 07-15-2018, 07:47 AM   #37
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I'm guessing there'd be an 'I don't recognize the authority of this court to try me' bit.
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Old 07-15-2018, 07:58 AM   #38
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I have been bounced twice, not selected the others.

I'd serve.
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Old 07-15-2018, 08:51 AM   #39
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Never made it to trial phase. I don't mind. I find it interesting. At least I get to use my phone while I wait before getting into the court room.
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Old 07-15-2018, 08:55 AM   #40
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Served on a civil case. It went too long.

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And then of course there were a few who said that serving would cause a financial hardship to them. While it's true that employers aren't required to pay you during jury duty, many employers do it anyway (at least the ones you'd actually want to work for).
That is a somewhat privileged perspective.
Anywhere I've worked - and all have been supposedly high status, professional services jobs - the most they'd do is let you go negative on your PTO to cover your time on jury duty. A two month trial would mean no vacations or illnesses for at least a year.

I expect the vast majority of American workers would suffer significant if not irreparable harm living without a paycheck for a couple of weeks.
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Old 07-15-2018, 10:24 AM   #42
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And then of course there were a few who said that serving would cause a financial hardship to them. While it's true that employers aren't required to pay you during jury duty, many employers do it anyway (at least the ones you'd actually want to work for).
I have only worked for one employer ever that paid for jury duty because the companyís founder is some flag waving redneck that wants to put out the image that the company supports Americans doing the right thing for America. And while yes they offer that benefit and thatís great, there is a mountain of other things that would make me never want to work for them again.
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Old 07-15-2018, 10:47 AM   #43
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Last time was in FF, Solano County, took two days to set the jury, I wasn't picked.
After this experience with the threat of incarceration, limited parking, metal detector, jurors lounge way too small, negotiations between prosecutor and lawyers using jurors as leverage with no say right up to the last second, spoiled me on this.
Then the Scott Peterson trial, counties bidding to get the case, news crews "renting space" from the county, running up to 300 people a day for a week or two to set a jury, with all the personal hassle to appear and disappear. Money spread thick right up to jurors daily pay.

I believe there should be a "contempt of juror", some form of protection of a juror from court mishandling/abuse.

Until that happens, maybe a lawyer that represents a singular juror for duty would properly clog the court until money and abuse evens out.

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Old 07-15-2018, 10:59 AM   #44
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Well, jury duty is another form of proof you are nothing more than a subject of the government.

It is my right to do what I want with my time......not the government telling me what I must do with my time.

I donít need to be on a jury to understand how the system works.

I donít want to waste my time listening to others problems, issues, bad behavior or whatever. Thatís is my right as a person.

Yes it is waste of my time......my time......not the governments time.

But the good, little subjects of the government will continue along, not knowing they are subjects of the government. It has been programmed in since the first day of school.
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Old 07-15-2018, 11:20 AM   #45
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I was #8 on a 12 man jury for a non-violent defendant in a case involving liquor and violence and was excused by the prosecution on some funny notes that had the entire courtroom laughing.

The plaintiff's lawyer started with asking about morality and ethics and asked us individually if it was breaking the law to get your friends and loved ones out of danger (obviously it is still breaking the law). Then he asked a few questions about the circumstances that one may break the law.

He then asked the question of if any of us jurors had ever witnessed a bar fight, and went down the line of jurors individually and all of us replied no. I wasn't entirely sure what he meant so I raised my hand to ask for clarification. I asked him "Does participating count?" to which he said yeah, and obviously I had to correct my reply. Prosecution immediately wrote down a note and I was the only person she wanted off the jury
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