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Old 07-19-2018, 04:09 PM   #61
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Be careful.
I didn't say it. I was stating what you told me.

Oh and with no hands. I forgot about that.
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Old 07-19-2018, 04:10 PM   #62
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Just saying, if you try it, be careful.
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Old 07-19-2018, 04:11 PM   #63
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Just saying, if you try it, be careful.
Well there are safer way to do this with a open lot with cones.
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Old 07-19-2018, 04:22 PM   #64
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Well there are safer way to do this with a open lot with cones.
Yes, there are, though cones might not be as safe as you'd like to think either.

When Keith's No-BS bike first came out, we did a free off-track drill for Doc Wong at Moffett Field. We had the bike there and before the crowd showed up, I ran a cone weave on it. The cones were spaced very far apart.

I succeeded in running the cones but the gymnastics it took to do it were ridiculous. Nobody rides that way. I haven't seen anyone else do that, though a few have crashed trying.

Anyway, getting out on a big piece of asphalt on a bike with a throttle lock and trying to turn it with no hands is a good way to find out how much effect your body really has on the thing.
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Old 07-19-2018, 04:46 PM   #65
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FWIW......my Tracer GT has cruise control. On my ride today, I turned it on and set at 60 on the portion of 84 going out to the coast where it opens up. Nice speed for that section as all turns can be made easily at that speed.

I could not weight the pegs enough to make any of those turns. I could not use enough body English to make those turns. I could slightly change my lines, but nothing that would have made those turns.

I made those turns by using only my left hand......nothing on the throttle.....I let cruise control maintain the speed.

Any real direction of change that was needed required bar input.

Moving the body just seem to enhance the movement of the bike turning. This required me to put weight on the pegs in order to move my body, and if slightly off the seat to the inside, most of my body weight is on the inside peg, holding my body up so that I don’t with my arms.

But, this is just me........your experiences maybe different.
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But, this is just me........your experiences maybe different.
That's a pretty typical experience.
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Don’t forget, a rider that is braking with lean angle must still apply force to the bars to maintain their lean angle. The force required on the bars is somewhat proportional to the braking force and the lean angle.

It’s not a common situation to be holding a constant lean angle while braking - usually u add lean angle while coming off the brakes. But this just means that the countersteering while braking takes more effort cuz u are also working against the forces in my first paragraph.
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