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Question Re: CA registered (street) RGV250

ToxxicGirrl

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Location
Oakland
Moto(s)
'91 rgv250, '03 SV650S
Name
Lisa
I was pulled over today in Emeryville by a CHP moto cop (Officer B). The main reason for the stop was the legality of riding my RGV on the street. He also stated that I didn't come to a complete stop while making a right turn on a red, but he didn't cite me for that. He also pointed out how my rear lights were illegal as well as the absence of reflectors on the bike.

My main concern is that although I provided current CA registration and insurance for the bike, he said I was breaking Federal/CA emission laws and although he wasn't going to give me a ticket for the illegal lights, he was going to report me to the EPA. He said he is friends with someone in the EPA (couldn't provide a name, branch, division or any info regarding EPA person) and that they (the EPA) could impound my bike. He wrote down my name, address, license#, plate#, VIN# on the back of his ticket book.

To drive his point home, he told me that knows of a person who had an RGV500 gamma that was modified to go from track to street, and it went through such an impound.

I was quite shocked at the impound threat since I have done my part to maintain current registration and insurance on the bike since I purchased it in 2005. I'd also like to add that I have a clean driving record and the required M1. He said whoever initially registered the bike in CA committed perjury upon registration, and the fact that I was caught out on the street with the bike just once is justification for impound. He also stated that if I get caught again, it is a $15K fine (he didn't say by whom I would be fined).

Also, he said if I decide to sell it, to disclose to the new owner that they cannot ride it on the street. He said to do this as a precaution so I wouldn't get sued if the new owner was found on the street and fined.

My main questions:
1) Can a gov. agency (EPA, CHP) impound my legally registered moto?
2) Have any LEOs here worked with the EPA to impound other two-strokes?
3) What extra precautions should I take, if any, should I decide to sell this bike?
4) Any other folks go through this with their bike?
5) Is this a sign of things to come for registered two-strokes?

Any info/input is greatly appreciated. edit: it's a 1991 RGV250.
 
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I'm not as well versed in some of the EPA laws that some CHP or other cops may be....

But to me it's simple. If you've legally registered your vehicle, it's legal. I'd be making a call to the watch commander to attempt to find a solution to the problem that this particular officer appears to have, with your legally registered vehicle.
 
Lisa... It's a motorcycle, that's all you know. You bought it in good faith.

The chicken shit bastard will hear from everyone I know, harrasing a woman on a motorcycle, about emissions? REALLY?!?!?! DON'T YOU HAVE BETTER THINGS TO DO, LIKE PROTECT CALTRANS CONSTRUCTION SITES? (Sucker pulled a shitty shift, and then takes it out on a girl)
 
Thanks for the link, Ken. There's lots of info on recreational two-stroke engines (boats, snowmobiles) and landscaping equipment, but nothing yet on registered two-stroke motos. Gray area for the gray market.

:laughing Oh, Sonny Sonny Sonny (80's sitcom reference). The moto cop had just finished ticketing someone at the gas station when I pulled in for fuel. He lit me up right after I pulled out of the driveway (whereupon I got nervous looking for a place to pull over and rolled thru the right-hand red light). This moto cop seems to have it out for two-strokes.
 
There was a gray are a number of years ago where 2-stroke and 4-wheelers were allowed to get license plates but this has since stopped; and a lot are not allowed to be renewed. I know a local guy with a 4-wheeler that had a CHP officer go to the DMV office and get the registration pulled as it should never have been allowed to be registered in the first place. Try a search, this has been discussed before.
 
I think your bike can be impounded regardless of the current registration. I also think that the person/s that would do it would be a police officer. Not the ARB or the EPA.I have never heard of them pulling someone over. So with that said I think the officer knew his stuff about what you were riding and could have impounded right then and there. But I think he was more into giving you a break.
 
There was a gray are a number of years ago where 2-stroke and 4-wheelers were allowed to get license plates but this has since stopped; and a lot are not allowed to be renewed. I know a local guy with a 4-wheeler that had a CHP officer go to the DMV office and get the registration pulled as it should never have been allowed to be registered in the first place. Try a search, this has been discussed before.

The highlighted part is the important part. Suzuki didn't go through the legalities that were required to have your motorcycle approved for sale and use on the roads of the US ( DOT lighting / emissions, etc ). I have an old friend that lost his motorcycle in a very similar situation (pulled over by a knowledgeable officer). His motorcycle was taken from him and not returned (it was illegally imported, as I suspect yours was). I haven't spoken to him in ages, but this just might be the excuse I need....
 
wonderful

a government who takes things away..

You know there are better things to do then worry about a smoker with a valid registration.

Sorry things like this get to me and I dont even fault the LEO it is our over reaching laws and regulations all he was doing was enforcing them ( or he things I dont know enough to say it is legit or not)

blah ruined my night..

heck why dont we bring back smog check2 anyone want some MTBE while we are at it..


/rant
 
That really blows! I have been riding two strokes, grey market and US legal, for over 15 years and never had this happen to me! That is scary to know that a CHP officer would consider taking such extreme actions against a fellow motorcycle rider.:thumbdown
 
The highlighted part is the important part. Suzuki didn't go through the legalities that were required to have your motorcycle approved for sale and use on the roads of the US ( DOT lighting / emissions, etc ). I have an old friend that lost his motorcycle in a very similar situation (pulled over by a knowledgeable officer). His motorcycle was taken from him and not returned (it was illegally imported, as I suspect yours was). I haven't spoken to him in ages, but this just might be the excuse I need....

The problem with this is that there are thousands of Home built and supposed "expert" or "custom" built choppers that no where near as safe for use on public roads as her RGV. If these bikes went through the so called legalities that were required for road use, what were the "legalities"? I would venture to say the same "legalities" that whoever registered the RGV did. Maybe the RGV went through even more "legalities" than some choppers? I know that most registered two strokes had to at least go through the standard DOT lighting check that the choppers go through as well. As far as emissions go, I would also venture to say that her RGV has something almost none of these choppers have, a muffler. The illegal import has no basis either as I don't know anyone who has imported a vehicle without it passing though some sort of "legalities" thereby becoming a legal import.

BTW: I only have US and CA legal two strokes now!
 
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track only. problem solved. they can only impound that bike if its being rode on the street. carb/epa/chp don't have much to say on what you can or can't ride/drive on the race track.
 
The illegal import has no basis either as I don't know anyone who has imported a vehicle without it passing though some sort of "legalities" thereby becoming a legal import.
The legal issue is at the Federal level, not the State level (DMV). The steps required to federalize a grey market import are more more involved than showing up at the DMV and passing their limited tests. The Federal emissions test costs tens of thousands of dollars just to certify a particular engine type. Two strokes don't make the cut. Just look at what Yamaha had to do to legalize their last two stroke motorcycle in the mid eighties. I've worked at two shops that went to great lengths to (attempt) to import grey market motorcycles to sell for street use. They both gave up after getting caught up in the Federal Requirements.

As for the Choppers, they are also coming under fire from CARB and the EPA. West Coast Choppers was fined not to long ago. I'm sure that the DMV is filtering those bikes out of the system just as they did with the many converted dirt bikes over the last year or two.

Many people are under the impression that having a license plate/CA registration, indicates the motorcycle is legal. It is not. It is merely a loophole.
 
There are five " two stroke" bikes that I can think of that are street legal. H1, H2, YZ350, YSR50, and the 500 V-Due. any more?
 
There are five " two stroke" bikes that I can think of that are street legal. H1, H2, YZ350, YSR50, and the 500 V-Due. any more?

I think you meant RZ350? as in RZ+YPVS Yamaha Power Valve System?
 
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