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My recent experience with Spot SOS feature

JPK

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I wanted to share my recent experience using the SOS feature on my Spot Messenger (gen 1) on Sunday's Doc Wong dual-sport clinic ride, and some of my learnings from it. I'm posting this in General since many folks here carry a Spot and may be interested in my experience. I’m also posting to provide some ‘closure’ of sorts for the folks that were on the ride on Sunday and wondered why there was apparently no response to the Spot SOS call.
The specific incident related to a rider in our group who had injured his leg. I initiated a call for help using the “SOS” button on my Spot Messenger at 3:50PM. Immediately after pressing the button, all of us (~20 people at that point) all looked at each other and asked, “OK, what now?” No idea. We didn’t know if Spot/GEOS got the message, if they’d respond, who would respond, when they’d get here... Deep down, I was somewhat confident that help would eventually arrive, as we were in a very wide open area where the Spot could get good satellite reception, but there was no way of knowing, so we sat and waited. After sitting around for a bit, someone decided to head up Coalinga Rd see if they could find help or get cell reception. A rider set off, and came across a Cal Fire station 11 miles up the road. He asked for assistance, and led one of their trucks back to the site. They assessed the rider and called their dispatcher, who in turn contacted Monterey County AMR, who dispatched an ambulance. The ambulance arrived on scene about an hour later, and transported the rider. I asked both Cal Fire and AMR if they had been contacted by GEOS, and they all indicated they had not. Their response was initiated entirely by our rider seeking them out and asking for assistance. This left all of us with the impression that the Spot/GEOS service had let us down, so I decided to do some following up to understand what happened.

Looking at my tracking logs after the fact, the SOS call was received by GEOS (Spot’s contracted rescue service provider) within 1 minute of being placed, and the Spot continued to successfully transmit SOS calls every 5 minutes for the next 3 hours until I stopped it by sending an “OK” message, so the Spot hardware worked exactly as advertised. GEOS responded to the SOS call immediately. I have a voicemail on my cell phone (which was out of cell reception area at the time) from 2 minutes after the SOS call was sent. My wife (who is listed as my emergency contact) indicated that she received a call from GEOS at about the same time, and spoke with the dispatcher for several minutes. From this point on, things become a little fuzzy.

I’ve spoken with Cal Fire and with AMR (both San Benito and Monterey County) and they confirm that their dispatchers had no contact with GEOS. I’ve spoken with Spot, and they are willing to help look into the event, but they consider GEOS a subcontractor and don’t have any direct oversight for the service GEOS provides. I then contacted GEOS directly, at the phone number they left for me on their original voicemail. They were very helpful and polite, and provided me with the information from the incident log. It shows that GEOS first contacted my wife and spoke with her for several minutes collecting information. They then contacted the California OEM (Office of Emergency Management) which is their policy for any SOS call in California, and relayed all the information about the incident at 3:58 (about 8 minutes after the original SOS). According to the lady at GEOS I spoke with today, this is technically where their responsibility ends. However, the dispatcher went further and contacted the San Benito County Sherriff’s office at 4:10PM and advised them that they would be contacted by the CA OEM. What the California OEM and San Benito County Sherriff’s office did in the next 40 minutes is a mystery. The GEOS dispatcher eventually received a call at 4:40PM from the CA OEM advising him that Cal Fire was on scene. GEOS received another call later confirming that AMR was on scene. Each time GEOS received these updates they promptly relayed them to my wife, however GEOS would not give her the identity of the patient so she had no way of knowing if I was the one that was injured. They eventually did relay to her that the patient was stable and being transported to the hospital.
In the end, it appears as though GEOS did take some form of action on the SOS call. What sort of response would have resulted from this, and how long it would have taken, is unclear. What’s clear is that our rider going up the road and tracking down help from Cal Fire got the injured rider help much more quickly. In the end, I still have to believe that the SOS call to Spot/GEOS would have eventually resulted in a response, but it would have taken significantly longer than the 2 hours it took to get the rider transported out.

Some learnings and retrospective thoughts on the event:


- A Spot SOS call will likely result in a response, but don’t expect it to be fast. If the rider had been in need of any serious medical attention, we would have been on our own for a while.
- Having a Spot is definitely better than nothing, but any 1-way communication device is going to leave you wondering if the message has gone through and a response is on the way.
- A 1-way device that sends a generic SOS message is less than ideal if you have a spouse/SO. My wife had to endure 3 hours of not knowing if I was alive/dead. She was on the road headed to Monterey hoping to find me in the hospital by the time I finally got cell reception and was able to call her. To say that she’s traumatized by the event is definitely an understatement. She advises that I’m now only allowed to ride to the Starbucks and back for the foreseeable future (which is fitting, since I ride a GSA).
- At least two of us were first-aid/CPR trained but nobody had a first aid kit suitable for the types of injuries you might need to deal with in the field. A few people had first aid kits with band-aids, gauze, alcohol wipes, etc. but these are only marginally useful in a real emergency. Thankfully we didn’t need supplies in this incident, but it has caused me to reassess my level of preparedness when venturing out into remote locations.

In the end, I’ve concluded that (for me, at least) a one-way communication device may be better than nothing, but is inadequate to deal with real emergencies. The ‘ideal’ solution would be a sat phone, but at $1,400 for an Iridium Extreme plus a minimum of $50/month service, this is out of my price range. However, there are a few devices out now that enable 2-way SMS messaging, such as the DeLorme InReach. If one of us had one of these devices we would have been able to SMS with GEOS and confirm that they’d received the message and what exactly they were doing. I would have also been able to SMS my wife and let her know the specifics of the situation so she wouldn’t fear the worst. Each person should assess their own needs, but don’t underestimate what impact using the device will have on whomever you ID as your emergency contact.

Ride safe.

-John
 
Thanks for the detailed write up. "Fuzzy" isn't comforting. The impact on ICE contact is definitely something to consider closely.
 
Hi John,

Thanks for the write up. I hadn't thought about the impact of using your SPOT for others on your own family/friends.

Looks like at least there may be an option to send messages if you get this:

http://www.findmespot.com/en/index.php?cid=102

Of course it requires a working smartphone so may not be as useful if you happen to be the one injured or you are alone and accessing both devices is difficult.
 
Hi John,

Thanks for the write up. I hadn't thought about the impact of using your SPOT for others on your own family/friends.

Looks like at least there may be an option to send messages if you get this:

http://www.findmespot.com/en/index.php?cid=102

Of course it requires a working smartphone so may not be as useful if you happen to be the one injured or you are alone and accessing both devices is difficult.

Thanks. Yes, it's true that some of the newer Spot's allow you to send customized OK messages. The main problem with these is that they're all still 1-way devices. The way they work is that, in order to maximize the likelihood that the SOS is transmitted successfully they broadcast it multiple times every several minutes. Since you have no way of knowing if/when the SOS has successfully transmitted, you have to let it sit transmitting the SOS for a good long while. If you send an SOS, and then send a custom OK to tell your spouse you're fine, the SOS stops broadcasting. If you have a 2-way device you can get positive confirmation that the SOS has gone through, and you can be simultaneously SMS'ing with others. The new DeLorme InReach SE doesn't require a smartphone to SMS, so this is likely the route I'm going to go.

BTW - great meeting you on Sunday. Hopefully we'll meet up again some time.
 
So your saying a device that's intended to get you help when you need it may or may not work, and if it does it may take a few hours for a response? Sounds like a waste of money to me.
 
So your saying a device that's intended to get you help when you need it may or may not work, and if it does it may take a few hours for a response? Sounds like a waste of money to me.

Even those that are supporters of Spots will tell you that they're not perfect (nothing is) and that they need a decent view of the sky to transmit successfully. In this case, the Spot hardware worked exactly as intended. Whether waiting for several hours for help to arrive is better than not having any option of calling for help is for everyone to decide on their own.

It's worth pointing out the GEOS Alliance rescue service is the defacto standard in the industry. Whether you go with a Spot, a DeLorme, or a $1,400 Iridium sat phone... the SOS button on all of those is routed to GEOS.
 
So your saying a device that's intended to get you help when you need it may or may not work, and if it does it may take a few hours for a response? Sounds like a waste of money to me.

I agree. You might still be out there if your buddy had not gone to the Fire Station. What exactly are you paying for, if not immediate action?
 
So your saying a device that's intended to get you help when you need it may or may not work, and if it does it may take a few hours for a response? Sounds like a waste of money to me.



It probably depends on where you're at, I've read posts where other people have used them and gotten a pretty fast response time.

I would rather have one then not, if you're laying in a ravine somewhere having someone come looking for you in a few hours is better then not at all.
 
I don't think SPOT is really intended to call for rapid response, or call for help in situations where there is a group of people where anyone can head off to find the nearest house/phone/Calfire station to get help. It's a great tool for solo riders who are riding in areas where they might crash and go completely unnoticed... read this and think of how things might have ended up differently for those drivers if either one had a SPOT tracker.
 
Excellent write up, THANK YOU for posting.

My riding buddy and I have each suffered broken bones while riding--and to that end, I'll definitely be adding a SAM splint, an ACE bandage and crushable ice pack to my first aid kit.

As for the SPOT...much to ponder. I especially appreciate that you made your wife's trauma part of your consideration; it's a big deal. It does sound as if the weak link in this case was the local Sheriff's department and the CA OEM...but sounds as if the fact that GEOS is only obligated to call CA OEM is sobering. As for not being able to give info to your wife...wonder if GEOS is just covering their ass, or if HIPAA really would be violated by giving out that information.
 
I don't think SPOT is really intended to call for rapid response, or call for help in situations where there is a group of people where anyone can head off to find the nearest house/phone/Calfire station to get help. It's a great tool for solo riders who are riding in areas where they might crash and go completely unnoticed... read this and think of how things might have ended up differently for those drivers if either one had a SPOT tracker.

In retrospect, I somewhat agree with you. What was clear at that time was that even though the injury wasn't life-threatening the rider needed to be transported. We believed (wrongly) that summoning help with the Spot would get help and transport more quickly than someone setting off in search of help, and not knowing where to go or how long they'd have to ride before they found it. We had no idea that Cal Fire was only 11 miles away.
 
Excellent write up, THANK YOU for posting.

My riding buddy and I have each suffered broken bones while riding--and to that end, I'll definitely be adding a SAM splint, an ACE bandage and crushable ice pack to my first aid kit.

As for the SPOT...much to ponder. I especially appreciate that you made your wife's trauma part of your consideration; it's a big deal. It does sound as if the weak link in this case was the local Sheriff's department and the CA OEM...but sounds as if the fact that GEOS is only obligated to call CA OEM is sobering. As for not being able to give info to your wife...wonder if GEOS is just covering their ass, or if HIPAA really would be violated by giving out that information.

Thank you. Yes, my first-aid kit is going to get overhauled as well.

Good questions - not sure why GEOS wouldn't reveal the information.

One thing that several of us discussed while standing around for a good long while is that it would be a good idea to know, in advance, where the local hospitals are before venturing into a remote area. I'd expand that to include fire stations and any other place you could quickly access to summon help. Having a map with these identified would be a great idea.
 
Good write up.

And that's a bummer that your wife was so worried. That must have freaked her out.

Is the high cost of a satellite phone pretty much limited to the cost of the phone itself? 50 bucks a month doesn't sound like a lot to me once you get past the cost of the phone itself. Or do the calls themselves cost a lot?
 
Thanks. Yes, it's true that some of the newer Spot's allow you to send customized OK messages. The main problem with these is that they're all still 1-way devices. The way they work is that, in order to maximize the likelihood that the SOS is transmitted successfully they broadcast it multiple times every several minutes. Since you have no way of knowing if/when the SOS has successfully transmitted, you have to let it sit transmitting the SOS for a good long while. If you send an SOS, and then send a custom OK to tell your spouse you're fine, the SOS stops broadcasting. If you have a 2-way device you can get positive confirmation that the SOS has gone through, and you can be simultaneously SMS'ing with others. The new DeLorme InReach SE doesn't require a smartphone to SMS, so this is likely the route I'm going to go.

BTW - great meeting you on Sunday. Hopefully we'll meet up again some time.

It was great meeting you as well.

I was going to buy a SPOT but on your experience and advice I think I will look into a DeLorme device.
 
http://www.rei.com/product/860468/spot-global-phone?cm_mmc=cse_froogle-_-pla-_-product-_-860468
Thank you. Yes, my first-aid kit is going to get overhauled as well.

Good questions - not sure why GEOS wouldn't reveal the information.

One thing that several of us discussed while standing around for a good long while is that it would be a good idea to know, in advance, where the local hospitals are before venturing into a remote area. I'd expand that to include fire stations and any other place you could quickly access to summon help. Having a map with these identified would be a great idea.

Thanks for the write-up. This and the other ICE thread have been very good reminders. I run a Spot and treat it as a last resort in case I go off a cliff device. My wife will check the track periodically and make sure I'm still moving, and honestly, that's what I bought it for - reassurance and to help someone find me if I'm riding by myself and go off a cliff. I think sending someone for help in your case was the right move.

You mentioned knowing where the hospitals and whatnot are in advance - my GPS has this information in the maps. So if anyone on the scene has a decent GPS with recent maps, you should be able to get that information on the spot (yuk yuk), cell coverage or no.

Good write up.

And that's a bummer that your wife was so worried. That must have freaked her out.

Is the high cost of a satellite phone pretty much limited to the cost of the phone itself? 50 bucks a month doesn't sound like a lot to me once you get past the cost of the phone itself. Or do the calls themselves cost a lot?

Spot themselves have a new world phone for $600 at REI. Plans appear to be about normal cost for this kind of thing. No idea how this phone compares to the more expensive one.

I have been looking at real PLBs and the InReach device as well. If I was doing any real remote riding beyond day trips (like heading to Alaska) I'd pull the trigger. But for now, I think the Spot is enough.
 
Good write up.

And that's a bummer that your wife was so worried. That must have freaked her out.

Is the high cost of a satellite phone pretty much limited to the cost of the phone itself? 50 bucks a month doesn't sound like a lot to me once you get past the cost of the phone itself. Or do the calls themselves cost a lot?

The cost of the phone is quite steep, but not necessarily a deal-breaker. The cheapest rate plans are ~$45-50 per month with no included minutes, and calls are billed at $1.39/minute and outgoing SMS's are $0.49 each. Not necessarily horrible, per se, but a lot of money for something that would (hopefully) be used rather infrequently. Despite the fact that it's significantly more expensive than a DeLorme InReach, I still haven't completely ruled out the sat phone route, as it is definitely the most fool-proof way to ensure communications. There are also cheaper options than Iridium out there, but Iridium is pretty widely acknowledged to have the best satellite network.

http://www.rei.com/product/860468/spot-global-phone?cm_mmc=cse_froogle-_-pla-_-product-_-860468

Thanks for the write-up. This and the other ICE thread have been very good reminders. I run a Spot and treat it as a last resort in case I go off a cliff device. My wife will check the track periodically and make sure I'm still moving, and honestly, that's what I bought it for - reassurance and to help someone find me if I'm riding by myself and go off a cliff. I think sending someone for help in your case was the right move.

You mentioned knowing where the hospitals and whatnot are in advance - my GPS has this information in the maps. So if anyone on the scene has a decent GPS with recent maps, you should be able to get that information on the spot (yuk yuk), cell coverage or no.



Spot themselves have a new world phone for $600 at REI. Plans appear to be about normal cost for this kind of thing. No idea how this phone compares to the more expensive one.

I have been looking at real PLBs and the InReach device as well. If I was doing any real remote riding beyond day trips (like heading to Alaska) I'd pull the trigger. But for now, I think the Spot is enough.

Very true about the GPS. The truly sad part is that I had a Zumo 220 sitting on my bike and it NEVER occurred to me to look at it and see where the closest help is. Just goes to show that the easiest answer is often overlooked. :mad

The Spot satellite phone definitely brings sat phone cost down to a much more affordable level. I'm a little leery of the Globalstar network coverage, though. If I'm going to invest in a sat phone, I think I'd just bite the bullet and get one on a network that's guaranteed to be available anywhere on the planet. It's also not clear to me why they would not include some of the features that are Spot hallmarks in the new phone. No tracking feature? No SOS button?

Edit: it appears that the Spot Global Phone is simply a re-badged Globalstar GSP-1700. You can already find those online for $435. It's a good value in sat phones as long as it covers the parts of the world you plan to use it in.

http://www.globalcomsatphone.com/globalstar/gsp1700
 
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Very true about the GPS. The truly sad part is that I had a Zumo 220 sitting on my bike and it NEVER occurred to me to look at it and see where the closest help is. Just goes to show that the easiest answer is often overlooked. :mad

The Spot satellite phone definitely brings sat phone cost down to a much more affordable level. I'm a little leery of the Globalstar network coverage, though. If I'm going to invest in a sat phone, I think I'd just bite the bullet and get one on a network that's guaranteed to be available anywhere on the planet. It's also not clear to me why they would not include some of the features that are Spot hallmarks in the new phone. No tracking feature? No SOS button?

Edit: it appears that the Spot Global Phone is simply a re-badged Globalstar GSP-1700. You can already find those online for $435. It's a good value in sat phones as long as it covers the parts of the world you plan to use it in.

http://www.globalcomsatphone.com/globalstar/gsp1700

Not sure I would have remembered the GPS, but I certainly remembered it while reading this. Heh.

Interesting that the Spot phone is a rebranded Globalstar (under $400 on Amazon!) - did they think they could simply capitalize on their brand? I don't know much about such things but I'd definitely research a lot before buying - a buddy happened to have pointed out the Spot phone just a couple days ago.
 
A SPOT is better than nothing. In the event that you have the manpower to do multiple things at the same time, then it's best to do so. The group involved in this scenario did everything right by covering all the bases.

I would be a bit more concerned that GEOS did everything they're supposed to do and the agency they contacted dropped the ball. Perhaps a call should be made to the OEM, whatever that is, and they should be asked what they did.

BTW, I thinks it's Cal EMA. It used to be Cal OES but they changed their name.
 
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