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Sf biker kills pedestrian

SFSV650 said:
I wonder if the double parked vehicle owner fill face any responsibility for contributing to the collision.
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Now I'm just guessing since we have zero info except there was a double parked car and the rider fled on foot after hitting the old woman.

But I suspect the rider was not very responsible or safe.
 
Very sad. Anyone that leaves another living creature in the road needs a little overhaul. Next life maybe.
 
ThumperX said:
Very sad. Anyone that leaves another living creature in the road needs a little overhaul. Next life maybe.
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SFSV650 said:
I wonder if the double parked vehicle owner fill face any responsibility for contributing to the collision.
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Perhaps if the motorcyclist did the right thing and stayed put and helped as a good human being would. Cannot even fathom what the hell would make him run. **EDIT DRUNK --that would make sense I guess**

Godspeed to the lady :rose
 
SFSV650 said:
I wonder if the double parked vehicle owner fill face any responsibility for contributing to the collision.
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Other than a ticket, no. Who's decision was it to swerve around the car at speed?

POS rider
 
Besides, how does a motorcycle conclude a car is double parked and not blocked on say a pedestrian, without slowing down and evaluating the situation?

Based on the article and the rider's behavior, the motorcycle appears to be fault.
 
budman said:
Perhaps if the motorcyclist did the right thing and stayed put and helped as a good human being would. Cannot even fathom what the hell would make him run. **EDIT DRUNK --that would make sense I guess**

Godspeed to the lady :rose
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Yes, so much this!

My condolences to the lady's family. :rip
 
What a terrible situation. My condolences to her family and friends. The poor woman walks across the street like she has done thousands of time and just does not see or hear the bike coming in the dark from behind the double parked car. The rider sees a double parked car and passes it without thinking and hits the woman. This is where terrible turns to gross negligence. Instead of stopping and calling 911 he leaves her for dead and takes off running down the road. He just made one of the worst decisions of his life. If he had not been under the influence and was not tearing down the street, he probably would not have been held responsible for the accident. And if he was, the consequences would not be what they are going to be now. After running, we read what happened, and this is only the beginning. The jury will be looking for blood.

If faced with a similar situation, do the right thing and call 911 then render whatever aid you are comfortable with.
 
I must have missed the 'at speed' part in the report.
It doesn't take much to kill a frail or elderly person - 10mph impact by a moto could easily do it.

Sounds like the rider might not have been found at fault had they stayed. One can only imagine what factors caused them to run (speed, DUI, unlicensed, stolen, unregistered, or uninsured bike, outstanding warrant, etc).

But for those who don't live in SF, you might not understand just how rampant double parking has become. You can not go half a mile without having to go around someone. Some are more cautious than others, but it is never entirely safe.
 
When it comes to motorcycle collisions, I see it from "What Can I Do To Avoid It" perspective.

Skipping the "hit and run" (or in this case, "flee on foot") which almost always means a completely guilty vehicle operator, let's look at the details we do have:

Double parked car
Residential street
67 year old lady
7pm

Well, I'm going to guess that this 67 year old woman did not just jump out into the street.

With that in mind, given all the other details, I would go down 24th Ave doing about 20mph, and I would slow when passing the double parked car. I would assume that someone could walk from behind this car.
 
sanjuro said:
When it comes to motorcycle collisions, I see it from "What Can I Do To Avoid It" perspective.

Skipping the "hit and run" (or in this case, "flee on foot") which almost always means a completely guilty vehicle operator, let's look at the details we do have:

Double parked car
Residential street
67 year old lady
7pm

Well, I'm going to guess that this 67 year old woman did not just jump out into the street.

With that in mind, given all the other details, I would go down 24th Ave doing about 20mph, and I would slow when passing the double parked car. I would assume that someone could walk from behind this car.
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Why not add 2 more things? At night and outside a marked crosswalk.
 
/dev/null said:
Why not add 2 more things? At night and outside a marked crosswalk.
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Well, 7pm is nighttime where I live.

And I expect pedestrians outside the crosswalk. It is really an legal issue, but I believe you are not supposed to hit jaywalkers.
 
Wayne Valairs. Anyone know the back story?

59 years old. Seems like at that age, a little more common sense would be in order.
 
speeding past a double parked cage. a nothing deal there.
but hit and run...rider is guilty..


next case.


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SFSV650 said:
I wonder if the double parked vehicle owner fill face any responsibility for contributing to the collision.
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Sadly probably not but if the motorcyclist hadn't run that would be the logical focus.

budman said:
Perhaps if the motorcyclist did the right thing and stayed put and helped as a good human being would. Cannot even fathom what the hell would make him run. **EDIT DRUNK --that would make sense I guess**

Godspeed to the lady :rose
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Drunk, outstanding warrants, expired license or nor insurance would all make sense. Something else had to be at play because one, it is just not cool to flee period and two, based on what little we know it doesn't sound like the rider would have been at fault.

treadtread said:
Besides, how does a motorcycle conclude a car is double parked and not blocked on say a pedestrian, without slowing down and evaluating the situation?

Based on the article and the rider's behavior, the motorcycle appears to be fault.
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How do you know he didn't slow down to evaluate the situation? You don't and are jumping to conclusions. Based on the few facts we have the rider would not be at fault. His act of guilt was running. So either the rider is stupid or has other legal issues.

sanjuro said:
Well, 7pm is nighttime where I live.

And I expect pedestrians outside the crosswalk. It is really an legal issue, but I believe you are not supposed to hit jaywalkers.
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Actually, pedestrians are as responsible for their safety as riders and drivers. Choosing to jaywalk from behind a double parked vehicle, assuming the rider was not speeding or drunk, would put the fault on the pedestrian.
 
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