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Mercury News Not-So-Positive Moto Press on Mr. Roadshow

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Today's Mr. Roadshow again focuses on motorcyclists, but I'm not sure he's hearing from REAL motorcyclists...Judge for yourself...

In response to this...

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=164416&highlight=pandy


Today's message was this....
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/columnists/mr_roadshow/14743448.htm


Somehow, I don't think Mr. Roadshow is hearing from real folks who ride, and I think he perhaps should hear from polite, avid motorcyclists who actually represent the bay area community.

Contact Gary Richards at mrroadshow@mercurynews.com or (408) 920-5335.



I'm not at all surprised that the subject inspires such passion (passion that obviously leads some to try to harm others). Motorcyclists want to do what we CAN do (and is legal to do). Automobiles get ticked because someone going by (it doesn't even have to be at an unreasonable speed) startles them, and they spill their Starbux all over the newspaper they were reading as they were trying to eat their breakfast in peace as they were driving to work.

And many motorcyclists feel strongly about one thing or another. One motorcyclist felt that sharing lanes is worse than wearing no helmet. My opinion is exactly the opposite. I wouldn't be caught riding without a helmet, but I'll share lanes. A lot of what I see in today's Roadshow column is just silly. One motorcyclist writes that he thinks I'm nuts to share lanes (and I respect his opinion and his choice), and then he goes on to say, "Nope, she's got a right to some indignation but it ain't the righteous kind. Tom Trask, Sunnyvale" I can't say I respect that fact that he doesn't believe indignation over assault with a deadly weapon is righteous.

There are many bikers who give the rest of us a bad name, and I see them every day during my commute. It's a real shame that those bad apples colour ALL bikers in a bad light in some peoples' minds.

And don't forget THIS article written by a LEO:


February 22, 2006
Section: Argus
Article ID: 3534373

Motorcycle insight

IN THE BAY AREA, we as drivers have become accustomed to driving in traffic. Everywhere we go, no matter what, our everyday activities revolve around traffic congestion. Nowadays, you just can't jump in the car and go from point A to point B without some planning.

Most California drivers always are in a big hurry, and they wll "mow you down" if you don't get out of their way.

A number of families have two cars, and they leave the nice expensive one at home in the garage. Why? Because they have a commute car — you know, the one that they can "beat to death." The one that they can swing the door open and dent your car. The car they can drive on the shoulder of the road and pass another car. The one they can open the driver's door on a motorcyclist splitting lanes.

Lane-splitting by motorcyclists? Most drivers can't stand this. Are car-bound drivers jealous? Are these motorcyclists "punk kids" on a motor vehicle that is too powerful for them?

Before you judge a motorcyclist, you should know the law and not jump to conclusions.

California is one of the few states that allow motorcyclists to split lanes. Yes, it is legal!

I own two motorcycles and drive one here at work.
Lane-splitting is permissible as long as it is done in a safe and prudent manner. The definition is broad, and it's up to the officer's judgment if he or she observes a violation in their presence.

Everyone recognizes that lane-splitting is a way for motorcyclists to save time or to get through traffic quicker — which is why car-bound drivers resent it.

In the defense of motorcyclists, lane-splitting also reduces congestion and helps everyone get to their destination sooner. If a majority of the drivers on California roads drove motorcycles, there would hardly be any traffic. In addition, air pollution would be cut in half, if not more.

I was reluctant to split lanes myself. Driving a motorcycle is difficult because you constantly have to be aware of your surroundings, and you are committed to be a defensive driver.

Most car-bound drivers are rude and do not understand the law. They think we are violating the law when we split lanes.

But do they realize that when they merge into a motorcyclist or block their path that they could get the ticket and not the motorcyclist?

I mentioned before that lane-splitting must be done in a safe and prudent manner. This means it should be done with caution and with due regard for other traffic on the road.

Usually, lane-splitting is done at slower speeds during heavy commute traffic. When motorcyclists split lanes at higher speeds, this becomes unsafe and they can be violating several traffic laws, such as unsafe lane changes, failure to signal and yield of right of way.

The dangers involved in lane-splitting are the close proximity of other vehicles, the limited space for maneuvering and the fact that few drivers anticipate your presence.

I have had a few close calls myself, and I have witnessed a number of accidents.

It is a fact that most drivers don't see motorcyclists. Motorcycles are quick, and they often are in the blind spots of car-bound drivers.

Whether you drive a motorcycle or a car, be careful, be defensive, drive safely and prudently, and know the law before you take action.

Share the road. Motor vehicles are not the only ones using the roads — pedestrians, bicyclists, truckers and other motor vehicles are on the roads, too.

Officer Dan Harvey is a traffic officer with the city of Fremont. His column appears every Wednesday. If you have questions you want answered, you can e-mail him at dharvey@ci.fremont.ca.us.
 
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Wow...those replies by "motorcyclists" in that article must be the same "riders" that sit in bumper to bumper traffic waiting for their bikes to blow up.

In my opinion, you aren't a real rider until you start lane sharing.
 
Yeaaa, some things in this column are complete BS. Like this guy from Redwood City complaining: motorcycles are his problem? AND putting him in danger? What about every single prick with a regular passenger car or with a truck who zips from one lane to another all the time, cutting off people here and there, then gassing pedal-to-the-metal so that he tailgates the next car (or a motorcycle!) in his path?

Here is the excerpt. At least the Answer was nice and well-advising:


Q Your column on lane-sharing is one of the first to spark an impulse strong enough from me to write. My experience: Many motorcyclists feel that they have carte blanche to do whatever they feel like to avoid having to deal with traffic. I particularly notice young men (well, younger than my youngish 50, anyway) who zip in and out of lanes in a rush to get ahead without any sense of courtesy, or any sense at all for that matter. This behavior makes me very nervous. I admit that at times when I see one of these guys coming, I will move over to keep them from passing because I feel they are putting me and them at risk. Of course, I would never do this at high speed or if they were already near me. But their risky behavior steams me.

Alan Helfen
Redwood City

A Please, don't block a motorcyclist. Take a deep breath and let them pass.
 
Man, what a lame column. If only we had groups of 20 commuters with bike cams in each major bay area location the film evidence of what we see would change everyones mind.
 
Q: I'm so glad you opened up the discussion regarding lane-splitting. I'm a motorcyclist from Illinois, where we don't have a helmet law, so wearing one is an annoyance to me here. What I consider more dangerous is lane-splitting. <STOPPED READING HERE>
 
The rumour is that Mr. Roadshow will be re-visiting this subject again in a few days, so the more he hears from those who are actually on the roads riding, the better. :thumbup
 
It seems that motorcyclists fall victim to the same problem that hits any minority community: somehow, people think that what one of us does, all of us do.

One motorcyclist splits unsafely, and drivers call us all idiots or demand lane sharing be abolished. Of course, they get cut off by a dude on a cell phone and they don't immediately demand cell phones be banned while driving.

OTOH, I have to say that the majority of people in cars are helpful and friendly when i'm trying to share their lane with them. It's at least a 15:1 ratio good:bad. (I regret that I don't have enough time to wave at all of them that move over for me) Do the rest of you experience a different ratio?
 
rritterson:

I agree...I do find more good than bad out there....but the bad I find is generally really, REALLY bad...it only takes one "bad" to kill us... :(
 
I just don't get this guys article style does Q stand for Qomment? (comment?) There aren't any questions yet he gives answers.

Anyway yeah those folks are stupid, I really liked the one from IL who said a helmet is a nusance but lane splitting is stupid. makes brain go, wtf?
 
No, Q stands for question (as you probably know), but I figure his column is usually with Questions, but this time he has to answer "comments" or Flames, so he does his best, by providing a retort after the "A" sign. Hope this helps?


DachWuff said:
I just don't get this guys article style does Q stand for Qomment? (comment?) There aren't any questions yet he gives answers.

Anyway yeah those folks are stupid, I really liked the one from IL who said a helmet is a nusance but lane splitting is stupid. makes brain go, wtf?
 
I wrote an email.

yeah, this stuff pisses me off, but the jist of my email was, 'When did people stop driving, and start worrying about everyone else, and what they can accomplish while distracted by driving'.

I think that about sums it up. If people paid attention to their own driving, and used signals, etc, would they be worried about me on my bike? I don't think so. Can we get back to driving being driving, and not a distraction from your calls, makeup, conversation, life, or whatever?

:hand
 
(Sent to Gary Richards)

Staci Ostrup’s note of a couple weeks back pointed out the irrational level of rage directed at the two-wheeled community. What that other driver did in her account was nothing short of attempted murder. It appears that in trying to present some “balance” you have only continued to fan the flames of rage and reinforced the prejudice against the motorcycling community as a whole.

As in everything else in life, there are plenty examples of individuals demonstrating asinine behavior. Motorcyclists are no exception. However, your posting the “counterpoints” to Ms. Ostrups letter does a disservice to the motoring public in general. The examples cited are the actions of a small percentage of motorcyclists. There is no shortage of accounts of moronic driving by two wheeled OR four wheeled drivers. The point is SHE COULD HAVE BEEN KILLED because someone in 5000 pounds of steel and glass didn’t like what she was doing.

Whether she should or shouldn’t be splitting in rain or at whatever speed isn’t the point here. The point is you don’t get to kill someone because you don’t like that they can get there a few seconds before you!

There is no balance to be presented against her point that she was attacked with a 5000 pound car. The consequences are lethal. Pinching down lanes on motorcycles is potentially deadly, period. Don’t do it!!! Let law enforcement deal with the legal stuff. We are not well served by self appointed driving vigilantes taking the law into their own hands.

Genuine discussion about the merits and legality of lane sharing are fine, but posting letters about someone speeding recklessly on Almaden Expressway or Hwy 99 serves no purpose other than to reinforce stereotypes. Keep this space focused on useful discussion, not inflammatory anecdotes.

Perhaps the discussion would be better served to ask why it’s so damn necessary for some to make sure motorcyclists don’t get there before anyone else, especially when it doesn’t cost the person in the car one additional millisecond.

Ed
Los Gatos
 
Wow, could he be any more one-sided? Not ONE single pro-splitting viewpoint in his column! What a 'tard!
 
Ed: :thumbup :teeth

Joebar and all: stay tuned...Mr. Roadshow isn't finished yet... be patient for a few days :teeth
 
Here is the email that I sent:


Thank you for your interest in the motorcycle community.
In the future, we should probably ignore responses from people who CLAIM to ride, but suggest that not wearing a helmet is safer than lane sharing.
Years ago, I rode everyday to downtown Los Angeles in rush hour traffic. I never had a problem, except for the mental strain that lane splitting demands.

There is NO statiscal evidence that lane sharing is particularly dangerous. There IS statisical evidence that cell phone use is very dangerous. The CHP is NOT recommending a ban on lane splitting. The CHP IS recommending a ban on cell phone use while driving.

Drivers need to keep the REAL dangers in perspective.
 
Since when did riding a motorcycle mean you had to proscribe to a particular mindset? Gary ran a piece of a few days ago that made it clear lane-splitting was legal, etc. He ran the most recent column, posted earlier in this thread, as a follow-up. Sure, I don't agree with what everyone says, but it begs the question I asked above.

I've said this before: people on BARF are quick to blame everyone but themselves for the problems out on the road. Lane splitting may be legal, but there is no doubt it can be dangerous. While I agree educating the larger public is important, so is taking responsibility for ones self.
 
mud said:

I've said this before: people on BARF are quick to blame everyone but themselves for the problems out on the road. Lane splitting may be legal, but there is no doubt it can be dangerous. While I agree educating the larger public is important, so is taking responsibility for ones self.

In case you have not noticed: EVERYTHING on a motorcycle is dangerous - assuming it is moving.

Which is why I phrased my email the way that I did.
A. We know statistically that helmets save lives.
B. We know statistically that intersections kill and injure most motorcyclists
C. We know statistically that cell phones are causing more accidents.
D. We do not know statistically that lane-splitting is more dangerous.

From what we know statistically, I suggest that you never go through an intersection again - because it is very, very dangerous.

P.S. We also know statistically that dumb is the number one risk to a motorcyclist's health.
 
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Newsflash, riding a motorcycle is dangerous, period. So no shit lane splitting is dangerous. But on the scale of things, lane splitting can be one of the safer activities done on a motorcycle.

I am safer while lane splitting than while riding down a busy commercial street with traffic making left turns anywhere they want.

My ankle was smashed to shit (limped for months) and my bike was totalled when I was hit by a left turning "I didn't see you!" old man. My bar end put a dent in the guy's door when I was hit while lane splitting. In neither case did the motorcycle go down.

I'd write up an email to this dude, but I need to get some work done. :p
 
Thank you, you've made my point for me.

FWIW, statistics don't put bodies back together.

clutchslip said:
In case you have not noticed: EVERYTHING on a motorcycle is dangerous - assuming it is moving.

Which is why I phrased my email the way that I did.
A. We know statistically that helmets save lives.
B. We know statistically that intersections kill and injure most motorcyclists
C. We know statistically that cell phones are causing more accidents.
D. We do not know statistically that lane-splitting is more dangerous.

From what we know statistically, I suggest that you never go through an intersection again - because it is very, very dangerous.

P.S. We also know statistically that dumb is the number one risk to a motorcyclist's health.
 
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