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Oakland police department says motorcycles are heard before they are seen
- Thread starter metrorollah
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Now I don't agree with adding the loud pipes as I personally don't like them. But just as people who whine about cops using cell phones, like it or not it’s not against the law.
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d12/vc27156_3.htm
Vehicle Emission Standards: Exemptions
27156.3. Notwithstanding any other provision of law, any motor vehicle of mosquito abatement, vector control, or pest abatement districts or agencies, any authorized emergency vehicle as defined in Section 165, except subdivision (f) thereof, and any ambulance used by a private entity under contract with a public agency, is exempt from requirements imposed pursuant to California law and the regulations adopted pursuant thereto for motor vehicle pollution control devices.
Amended and renumbered, Ch. 466, Stats. 82. Effective January 1, 1983.
The way that reads to me is that they're exempt from the pollution side of it. There's still noise standards in the V.C. that I don't think this one covers.
Furthermore, how does OSHA feel about them running those pipes and not wearing hearing protection? :|
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taking a wrong turn
There's some misinformation in this thread. It is not illegal to make modifications to an exhaust. You can put on a different canister as long it meets certain requirements. This is from CHP Bulletin 98-100,
Anything before the catalytic converter (jets, PCIII, headers, etc.) requires a CARB EO number. Dynojet got hammered by the State of California and now makes a PCIII that's CARB certified (Dynojet PCIII USB EX CARB EO#D-619).
I'd be interested to now how the City of Oakland can justify breaking the California vehicle code if their exhausts are above the DB limits. As someone else pointed out, OSHA may have something to say on that matter.
Anything before the catalytic converter (jets, PCIII, headers, etc.) requires a CARB EO number. Dynojet got hammered by the State of California and now makes a PCIII that's CARB certified (Dynojet PCIII USB EX CARB EO#D-619).
I'd be interested to now how the City of Oakland can justify breaking the California vehicle code if their exhausts are above the DB limits. As someone else pointed out, OSHA may have something to say on that matter.
As I said before, I’m not that familiar with the federal standards but I'm not aware of any federal noise standard, just emission standards. And they may very well be a federal exemption for emergency vehicles.
As for OSHA, I don't work for them or enforce their rules.
There is a federal noise standard, but it applies to "new products."
The EPA limit applies at the time of original purchase; it doesn't prohibit aftermarket changes by the end user.
(Not going to quote it all; it's huge, but those that are interested, review 40 CFR 205 Subpart D)
The EPA limit applies at the time of original purchase; it doesn't prohibit aftermarket changes by the end user.
(Not going to quote it all; it's huge, but those that are interested, review 40 CFR 205 Subpart D)
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Now I don't agree with adding the loud pipes as I personally don't like them. But just as people who whine about cops using cell phones, like it or not it’s not against the law.
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d12/vc27156_3.htm
Vehicle Emission Standards: Exemptions
27156.3. Notwithstanding any other provision of law, any motor vehicle of mosquito abatement, vector control, or pest abatement districts or agencies, any authorized emergency vehicle as defined in Section 165, except subdivision (f) thereof, and any ambulance used by a private entity under contract with a public agency, is exempt from requirements imposed pursuant to California law and the regulations adopted pursuant thereto for motor vehicle pollution control devices.
Amended and renumbered, Ch. 466, Stats. 82. Effective January 1, 1983.
Oakland PD says that motorcycles are heard before they are seen and equip loud pipes to protect their officers.
On any civilian bike, these same pipes are illegal, but the police get special treatment.
Conclusion: The life of a moto officer is more valuable than the life of a civilian rider - since civilians are denied access to what OPD considers to be motor vehicle safety equipment (as opposed to specialty equipment, such as batons, kevlar vests, etc.)
Nice message. When you (OPD) are done can you have a nice wank in my face? Just to make sure we understand how much better you are than me?
As one kind LEO informed me, "Ignorance of the law is no excuse, sign here."
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Jack the Smack
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I was referring to California's standards in the V.C. in regards to noise.
CA V.C. 27202
27202. For the purposes of Section 27200, the following noise limits shall apply to any motorcycle, other than a motor-driven cycle, manufactured:
(1) After 1969, and before 1973 ...................................................................................................88 dba
(2) After 1972, and before 1975 ...................................................................................................86 dba
(3) After 1974, and before 1986 ...................................................................................................83 dba
(4) After 1985 ...................................................................................................................................80 dba
Amended Ch. 356, Stats. 1982. Effective January 1, 1983.
Psyclotron
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iehawk
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If a car is driving with loud music on, windows all up, AC on... I doubt the motorcycle sound would be heard right away either.
Same thing with the more luxury cars... add the loud music...
Same thing with the more luxury cars... add the loud music...
Just because one department has that opinion does not mean all departments do. But go ahead and stereo type all police as usual.
As for ignorance, I don't have loud pipes so I don't have to worry. So the only ignorance is your assumptions.
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Just because one department has that opinion does not mean all departments do. But go ahead and stereo type all police as usual.
As for ignorance, I don't have loud pipes so I don't have to worry. So the only ignorance is your assumptions.
I specified OPD, so I don't see what your problem is. If this isn't hypocrisy then I don't know what is. All a citizen has to do is look around to see the hypocrisy of police departments and their officers. Cops speed when not on the way to a call, roll through stop signs, ignore lane markings, profile drivers for traffic stops, lie on reports, and generally abuse their power.
You can go on about how they are the exceptions and that most cops are decent hard working guys with kids and yada yada yada. The only difference between a cop speeding or rolling through a stop and beating a suspect is a matter of degree. That is my fundamental problem.
If you put someone in a position of power, they will abuse it. It's human nature, no one is immune, not even you. Don't think so? Look at the Stanford Prison Experiment as a primer, then you can move on to the volumes of psychological studies on authority.
Desmodromic
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Hmm, I see this devolved into a cop bashing thread.
FWIW I got pulled over in my car yesterday for driving with...spirit, and I treated the cop with respect and he let me off with a warning.
Just remember cops are people and not justice androids and your interactions might go better with them.
FWIW I got pulled over in my car yesterday for driving with...spirit, and I treated the cop with respect and he let me off with a warning.
Just remember cops are people and not justice androids and your interactions might go better with them.
masameet
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The OPD installing aftermarket pipes on its Harleys is old news. It was barely discussed in the LEO forum last June. Not to mention it was discussed in the General forum last June as well. Why was it brought up again?
Right. Because complaining about cops by BARFers is a favorite pastime.
And Blind Io, what about all the psychologists who fuck their patients? You going to get on your soapbox about them?
Right. Because complaining about cops by BARFers is a favorite pastime.
And Blind Io, what about all the psychologists who fuck their patients? You going to get on your soapbox about them?
Brown81
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Yeah, Blind Io, why in the hell are you voicing your opinion? You should be a bit less defensive, like JPM for example.....
And, what about those chefs who spit in food? What about them? Or, the farmers who fuck their sheep? What about them??? HUH!!!???
WHAT ABOUT THE POOR CHILDREN!!!!?????
Fucking "cop bashing" card gets thrown out again.