Group ride gone wrong hwy 101N (bikes pulled over)

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We need a new phrase. "Speed Trap" has a specific legal meaning and a lot of people use the phrase to mean "Place where LEOs are likely to be watching traffic" even though that is NOT what the legal meaning is.

Anyone got a suggestion?

A squid net ?

 

[Rel]

We need a new phrase. "Speed Trap" has a specific legal meaning and a lot of people use the phrase to mean "Place where LEOs are likely to be watching traffic" even though that is NOT what the legal meaning is.

Anyone got a suggestion?

Ummmmmm, speed enforcement?

 

[jraice]

"Hot spot"?

What is the legal meaning of a speed trap?

Is it a road that has a lower speed limit then engineeres say?

I have looked into it before but as many people say, it seems like no matter what the cops do if you are going above the posted limit, you were speeding.

Even if the number to you is to low, its posted and thats the limit.

No matter what the cops do to catch you, in my book, unless they are busting you for only 5-7mph over they got you.

 

[Psyclotron]

A squid net ?

ding ding ding!

 

[V4]

Just don't ride like a dick and don't make the bike attract unwanted attention...

simple as that...

I ride that route every week , see the same cops at the same spots from Sausilito to Sonoma and never had a problem...this includes going to the SlothBay...depending on the weather or mood, I'm wearing different gear and riding something different with no problems..

Only times I've been pulled over when I had new bikes with dealer plates just to check if everything was legit......

the only comment I got from a cop was " I never seen a brand new vehicle get so filthy in a short period of time..."

 

[I'm OaklandLion]

What exactly makes it a speed trap?

Do you know the the legal definition of a speed trap?

Are you aware that speed traps are illegal?

Lastly, if people weren't breaking the law, the cops wouldnt have anything to do.

Hint: Slow the f' down.

No, I don't know specifically what "speed trap" means. I'm referring to where I see a couple of CHP officers routinely hanging out with their radars.

I have no problem with cops doing their job. And when I get my speeding ticket, you won't see me on BARF bitching about it.

 

[Rel]

No, I don't know specifically what "speed trap" means. I'm referring to where I see a couple of CHP officers routinely hanging out with their radars.

I have no problem with cops doing their job. And when I get my speeding ticket, you won't see me on BARF bitching about it.

Well, for starters:

If you dont know what a "speed trap" is, then why call it a speed trap?

Second, why start a thread about cops doing their job when you say you have no problem about cops doing their job?

 

[mosquito]

Ummmmmm, speed enforcement?

I don't think that covers what people commonly mean. "Speed enforcement" would apply whenever / where ever the LEO happens to be and doesn't include the idea of particular locations being favored by the LEOs.

Note that I don't think the non-legal usage of 'Speed Trap' includes anything about there being an element of 'unfairness' or malice. IMO it's just a location where LEOs are likely to be sitting watching traffic and the opinion on that is usually supported by many being observed and / or reported there over time.

"Hot spot"?

What is the legal meaning of a speed trap?

Is it a road that has a lower speed limit then engineeres say? ...

It actually looks more complicated than that. It *looks* like fitting the description requires both a certain set of highway descriptors and particular behavior from LEOs. IMO, my IANAL and IANALEO and <whatever> opinion, it looks like it was defined to possibly curtail some 'unfair' practices.

Here's one CVC on it: http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d17/vc40802.htm

One purely hypothetical situation would be where a highway has a 55 mph speed limit and 'for no good reason' there's a sudden change to 35 mph (imagine something similar on I-5) and there's a LEO sitting there using radar on everyone coming by. Note that such a scenario would require a governmental entity setting that 'unusual speed limit' (as they're allowed to do within certain restrictions) and that would mean that the LEO is 'just taking advantage' of it, so in a case like that I really couldn't be upset with the LEO...

... I have looked into it before but as many people say, it seems like no matter what the cops do if you are going above the posted limit, you were speeding.

Even if the number to you is to low, its posted and thats the limit.

No matter what the cops do to catch you, in my book, unless they are busting you for only 5-7mph over they got you.

Yep, I mostly agree. Just 'mostly' 'cause IMO if you're going 1 mph over they've got you. There's no valid excuse (didn't see the sign, broken speedo, whatever). Every excuse means you were still doing something wrong (like, e.g. not paying enough attention).



For my thought of needing a new phrase, the reason is that when conversations about one thing come up they often get derailed by the valid point of improper usage of a phrase or word. Much like 'grammar enforcers', when a meta-topic is created it stops the actual on-topic conversation. It's better to find a way to circumvent it than to 'always' run up against the same wall again. (If no one sped, that would be one way to not run into the wall, but that solution still doesn't name the thing we're talking about.)

 

[afm199]

It was just CHP enforcement for the AMA races. They do it every year. There were at least 10 chp units between that incident ( which I saw) and Sears Point. It's a favorite time for the CHP due to the high number of idiots in groups speeding to the races.

And honey, on the back of the bike wearing shorts and flip flops, if HE REALLY LOVED YOU, you would be wearing the jacket gloves and riding pants.

 

[I'm OaklandLion]

Well, for starters:

If you dont know what a "speed trap" is, then why call it a speed trap?

Second, why start a thread about cops doing their job when you say you have no problem about cops doing their job?

Hey Rel -

Why do you have to be a red ass about this?

So I'm not a LEO, I used speed trap as speed enforcement. Lighten up.

I posted that spot on hwy 24 as a way to remind BARFers to be mellow thru there. Jeez louise.....

 

[Tharkûn]

Westbound Hwy 24 - after the tunnel, near Broadway.

It's like shooting fish in a barrel.

Eastbound, right after the tunnel.

So you are a LEO and speaking from experience?

Correct.

 

[AkatomboRR]

Hey Rel -
Why do you have to be a red ass about this?

 

[Ant]

I have bad vision and hearing (old age). I go on group rides, what would happen if riders in my group stopped for police on say 85 and I didn't see them and keep going to the destination. Are there usually officers up ahead to be kind enough to let me know I missed the stop?

Yes. The officers will clear a path ahead of you moving all cars out of the way so you can come to a safe and easy stop. If crime is low that day they might even go get you a burger and a shake.

 

[Rel]

Hey Rel -

Why do you have to be a red ass about this?

So I'm not a LEO, I used speed trap as speed enforcement. Lighten up.

I posted that spot on hwy 24 as a way to remind BARFers to be mellow thru there. Jeez louise.....

I guess my point is this.... You could have started a thread like this:

Hey everyone, today I was out and about and I saw a lot of LEO presence. Just a friendly reminder to ride safe and smart.

to the LEO's for helping make the roads safe.


Just my

 

[Climber]

Hey Rel -

Why do you have to be a red ass about this?

So I'm not a LEO, I used speed trap as speed enforcement. Lighten up.

I posted that spot on hwy 24 as a way to remind BARFers to be mellow thru there. Jeez louise.....

For some people, certain phrases can have greater connotations than for others.

For LEO's, 'speed trap' does have a greater connotation than it does for others.

I don't think he's being an ass, just clarifying about a phrase that has significant and connotations that you aren't aware of.

The same advice could be applied in the other direction.

 

[Rel]

I think that this is violation of the TOS for monkey porn.

 

[Brokenlink]

I don't get it. I ride pretty quick on the roads. But I tend to do it in places that aren't full of people, cars, and houses. My bike has a few mods, yet I never seem to attract the unwanted attention. Why is it so hard for people to figure out there is a time and a place to be an asshat. My time and place was all over the rods between half moon bay and pescadero today. I saw a lot of cops, I rode like a nut, and I had a great time.

Common sense will get you a long way in our world.

 

[AkatomboRR]

I think that this is violation of the TOS for monkey porn.

it does?!!?!?!?

















but on a more srsly note, safe and don't stupid and you won't have any problems with LEOs (I'm a LEO btw, first of the month)

 

[wazzuFreddo]

My Yosh exhaust is responsible for fatal crashes and stolen bikes.

 

[MysterYvil]

According to the American Heritage dictionary-

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SPEED TRAP

NOUN:
Police officers or electronic devices concealed and deployed on a stretch of road to catch speeding drivers.

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So it may not meet the legal definition, but it certainly meets the common-usage definition.