Caddywumpus
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Life expectancy is more of a cultural thing than a health care thing.
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How's your Oh-bama care working?
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Rates have been going up for years. And the pattern has been higher increases when the economy is doing poorly.
edit: Not to mention the fact the new bill eliminated the coverage caps that have crept into most health care plans over the past few years.
edit: Not to mention the fact the new bill eliminated the coverage caps that have crept into most health care plans over the past few years.
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afm199
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Not quite. E room care does not cover heart transplant, Aids treatment, cancer therapy, joint replacement, etc.
Yes, current law forces up prices, by forcing hospitals to give treatment in E rooms to anyone, but that is it. It does NOT reach the standard that exists for insured.
Human Ills
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Is that another way of saying that those that live in socialist nations live in a healthier culture? Couldn't agree more.
afm199
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Now do a corresponding graph for infant mortality and death rates for age groups. Then get back to us.
Nobody debates that insurance in the US is corrupt, broken, and a scam. We're pissing and moaning because NOTHING was done to fix this in Obamacare, IT JUST MOVED THE BURDEN UNTO THE MIDDLE CLASS> What is it about this you don't get? I am all for everyone having health care, I just don't want to pay for it.
afm199
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Yes, life expectancy in Russia dropped from 68 to 61 after the wall fell. We should follow their example.
Those other nations that spend less have universal health care. They're ALL 'freeloaders'
Ah, universal health care...
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But that's my point - we end up treating people who do not pay into the system at all, in the most expensive, least efficient, least effective way anyway.
That's been the gripe of the insurance companies all along. Now they got what they wanted, they're still screwing the rest of us. Wot a shock :|
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Solution, tax the shit out of companies sending jobs away to pay for health care. Put tarrifs on imports to pay for healthcare (especially on imports of things we make here!!)
The best thing all of us can do now, as our system slowly dies due to the greedy Whorporations, is practice good preventative medicine, stay in shape, eat well etc. Make friends with a doctor too.
The best thing all of us can do now, as our system slowly dies due to the greedy Whorporations, is practice good preventative medicine, stay in shape, eat well etc. Make friends with a doctor too.
Human Ills
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Good news is that soon there won't be a middle class.
I'm all for raising tax rates to 1960's levels.
Works everywhere it's tried.
Why the hell would we do something that works? Stop making sense, there is no need to follow anyone else's lead, WE'RE AMERICA and we're always right!
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I lived in the UK. It's capitalist, as is most of Western Europe.
They simply see that it's cheaper per-capita, and better for the economy, to centralize health-care spending.
Most of Europe offers similar levels of health care as here, for a tiny fraction of the price.
They have this shocking notion that if you look after the physical and mental well-being of your workforce, that you'll be repaid by more people working and paying more in taxes.
It's a bit like education spending - what you layout, you get back several times in increased revenues down the road. But America is nothing if not the 'got to get the share prices up this quarter, screw 20 years from now' culture.
Human Ills
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blah blah blah comrade blah blah blah russia blah blah blah.
Human Ills
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Well said. We should follow their example.
fromeast2west
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Works everywhere it's tried.
... for a given value of works.
I'm a dual citizen, US/Canadian, and I've spent part of each year in both countries since I was born. I love the fact that I can go to Canada to get health care if I ever lose coverage here in the States, but between the two systems I'll take the one in the US.
The waits for care in Canada are getting better, but compared to the quality I get down here with Kaiser, the care up there is lousy. A lot of the wealthy Canadians I've met have additional coverage for private practice health care or plan to go abroad for treatment.
The huge amount of money we put into health care has also been a huge driver in the development of new treatments. It may not be driven in the direction we want (toward short term symptom treatment and viagra), but there's no doubt that per capita, the US is the biggest innovator in medical tech.
To say that universal care, as it's practiced now in most parts of the world, is better than the system we have now, is to miss the forest because you walked into a tree you tried to pretend wasn't there.
Caddywumpus
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Except when have we ever cut spending on education? If its supposed to be paying off, why are americans getting dumber?
afm199
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Really? With an entitled populace on permanent dole, basically free health care, a defense budget mostly paid by the US ( as most of Europe's is), and high taxes, you might really consider it modified Eurosocialism. Which is not working out all that well for most of the countries there, unless they have oil income.