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The Girl Who Started #CancelColbert Did a Cringeworthy Interview

mean dad said:
That's his opinion, to which he is entitled.

See, that's the thing. Just because someone has an opinion, doesn't mean the rest of the world needs to recognize or respect that opinion.

His or hers.
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This is supposed to be a professional interview, where the interviewer allows his subject to speak freely and without bias.

You are certainly entitled to agree or disagree, and you do not have to offer an informed response.

But Suey Park was complaining about being marginalized and Josh Zepps did exactly that by calling her opinion stupid. She said that white liberals do not understand this issue, I think Zepps proved that.
 
sanjuro said:
And in case if you think I, as a Chinese-American, is taking too seriously, why did Colbert choose to talk about marginalized Native Americans by mocking the next most marginalized group, Asians?

Why didn't he target blacks? You know the, "Jigaboo Society of Watermelon Eating"? Or Latinos? "The Wetback Swimming Club?"

If you think I am taking this too seriously, just explain the difference between my jokes and his?
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It's more acceptable to make stupid jokes about Asians and perceived notion of less of a potential political backlash? :dunno
 
Um, I think it IS a stupid opinion, because she's focused on taking the hump, instead of the actual intent of the joke, which, bad or not, was intended to lampoon Dan Snyders creation of the 'Original Americans Foundation' instead of maybe changing the teams name...

Then she actually has the audacity to be genuinely racist (and arguably sexist) by saying, 'you're a white man, you wouldn't understand.' :wtf

It's analagous to straw-manning - complaining about something that wasn't the original focal point of the discussion, and despite every reasonable effort to explain it, insisting that your misinterpretation is correct. Which is stupid.
 
sanjuro said:
And in case if you think I, as a Chinese-American, is taking too seriously, why did Colbert choose to talk about marginalized Native Americans by mocking the next most marginalized group, Asians?

Why didn't he target blacks? You know the, "Jigaboo Society of Watermelon Eating"? Or Latinos? "The Wetback Swimming Club?"

If you think I am taking this too seriously, just explain the difference between my jokes and his?
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I think this is a good point. Asians, for whatever reason (I would guess willingness to assimilate, a cultural doctrine of not making waves or being aggressive) are considered the model minority, with the flip side of that being that jokes about Asians are considered more acceptable, since Asians will just grin and bear it.

Yeah, had Colbert made fun of black "street talk" for example, it seems like there would be a LOT more outrage, and that outrage would be much more widely accepted as legitimate.
 
sanjuro said:
This interview highlights what I have been saying and I am about what I am about to post on my blog:

Colbert made a racist joke, and while I understand his schtick and the satire (and I am a Colbert fan), I'll think what I want to think.

I don't think his joke is insulting because it is racist. I think it is insulting it is witless, written mostly likely by a non-Asian for a non-Asian audience. Mr Yunioshi could have said it.

But the interviewer proves my point precisely. Suey Park said she found it inappropriate as a defense of minorities, and when the white liberal interviewer did not like her answer, he says "No one is minimizing her opinion, it is just a stupid opinion".
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So the argument is that satire is not an effective tool to combat racism? Why racism alone and not political affiliation, sexism, homophobia, etc? I don't know if I agree with that, but I'm willing to hear the argument.

Steve
 
Joebar4000 said:
Then she actually has the audacity to be genuinely racist (and arguably sexist) by saying, 'you're a white man, you wouldn't understand.' :wtf
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Well, again without having seen the interview, there is some truth to this. The white friends that I have spoken to about this issue cannot fathom what enduring racism is like. They just cannot imagine being in the minority (although they will soon), and what it could be like for someone to discriminate against you based on your color. And so, when I hear a black person say that non-blacks cannot understand what it feels like, I understand that perspective.
 
jdhu said:
Well, again without having seen the interview, there is some truth to this. The white friends that I have spoken to about this issue cannot fathom what enduring racism is like. They just cannot imagine being in the minority (although they will soon), and what it could be like for someone to discriminate against you based on your color. And so, when I hear a black person say that non-blacks cannot understand what it feels like, I understand that perspective.
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Yes, I'm from the UK. I ride motorcycles. I have pit bulls. I have traveled the world to places where I am in the minority in every respect, and spent considerable time there. I have no idea what discrimination feels like.

:|

The assumption that the reporter cannot know what it feels like is just as bad a generalization as racism is.
 
jdhu said:
Point?
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Seriously? You point to an example of what would happen if someone were to lampoon blacks instead, I provide you with an example of that (and subsequent failure of huge outrage to happen) and you don't get it?
 
Joebar4000 said:
Yes, I'm from the UK. I ride motorcycles. I have pit bulls. I have traveled the world to places where I am in the minority in every respect, and spent considerable time there. I have no idea what discrimination feels like.

:|

The assumption that the reporter cannot know what it feels like is just as bad a generalization as racism is.
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Are you being serious? You riding a motorcycle and liking pit bulls, puts you in the minority, and thus, you understand what racism feels like?

I am a male. We are outnumbered by females. Therefore, I completely understand what it feels like to be discriminated against. Sounds stupid, doesn't it?
 
Joebar4000 said:
Seriously? You point to an example of what would happen if someone were to lampoon blacks instead, I provide you with an example of that (and subsequent failure of huge outrage to happen) and you don't get it?
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LOL, good conversation when we are asking if other if serious. An obscure youtube clip, of a clearly old movie, somehow proves...well what, exactly?

Do you think Colbert chose to make fun (satirically, I get that) of Asians, and not of another race?
 
MtnRacer said:
So the argument is that satire is not an effective tool to combat racism? Why racism alone and not political affiliation, sexism, homophobia, etc? I don't know if I agree with that, but I'm willing to hear the argument.

Steve
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I have no problem with racist (or gay or women) jokes, believe it or not, if they are somewhat intelligent and knowledgeable.

A joke which mocks the racism behind it are the ones I find funny and not insulting.

Take Dr Ken. He makes all kinds of Asian jokes in his stand-up. I especially like how his mocks how Asians speak, but what he is doing is pointing out the differences between a Korean and Vietnamese accent, which is also educational if you didn't know there is difference between the Asian languages.

There was a SNL skit this weekend with Louis CK, Black Jeopardy. The Final Jeopardy Question was "Name 5 Rap Songs that start with N". With the wrong white person, this falls totally flat, but Louis CK is well known for his black humor.

I understand that Colbert was trying to point out that white men don't get it, but his joke didn't seem funny to me, which is one step away from being insulting.
 
Why is it that only white people are capable of being racist?
 
And one more thing, the reason why I post in the Kitchen about this subject is that I know a good percentage of BARFers are Asian.

Frankly, I understand why non-Asians may not understand the outrage. I find what is considered racism is a consensus decision.

You may not understand, but you will when many people point it out.
 
hyo650 said:
Why is it that only white people are capable of being racist?
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They are not.

I was called Jackie Chan by blacks I played basketball with. The one I talked to about it said he can't be racist because he was married to a white woman.

And I learned about "Chinese School" from the Kitchen as well.

I don't think this issue is so much a white man vs Asian woman as it is non-Asian ignorance.
 
hyo650 said:
Isn't that the general topic being discussed in this thread?
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Hmm, if so, I missed that. To me, it was about Colbert's satirical comment, the outrage, and the response to that outrage.
 
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