Traction Control? Nah. “You’re On Your Own”

[ThinkFast]

Porsche just previewed its new supercar, the Mission S, a three-pedal ICE number that has the Porschephiles all atwitter. Some are predicting this heralds the demise of the German great, whilst others are averring it’s a sign of the second coming. Whatever. I say it’s just another car built for people to own instead of what they used to build cars for, which was for people to drive. Too bad. Love these cars.

One fun thing, though, is the label on what I like to call “The God Button”. You know, that little button on the dash you can push to turn off all the nannies that are there to save your bacon, because, let’s be honest, unless your Lando Norris or some such similarly skilled, you’re probably not actually going to be able to throw around 600 unmuzzled horsepower fed into two rear wheels on a twisty road without wrapping yourself around a tree.

So here’s a pic of the Mission S and what Porsche is previewing for this new ride:

Cracks me up. . I’m gonna guess that doesn’t make it into production, or if it does, it’ll only show up on RoW models and not come to the US. The lawyers here would have a field day.

Maybe someone should make some stickers like that for the button on Panigales?

 

[berth]

because, let’s be honest, unless your Lando Norris or some such similarly skilled, you’re probably not actually going to be able to throw around 600 unmuzzled horsepower fed into two rear wheels

Funny, back in the day I got into an Indy Car simulator in Las Vegas.

Fancy, had all the motion control and stuff. It was a "simulator" not a "race game".

Anyway, get on the grid, all lined, up, there goes the green, and I mash down the accelerator.

The car immediately started spinning around and running into things.

I had to nurse the car around the track to pit it to get it "fixed" before I could go back out.

At that point, I was very ginger in my application of the throttle.

 

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No street car needs more than 450 hp

 

[Climber]

No street motorcycle needs more than 100 hp?

 

[budman]

I sure need the GOD button on my Cayenne.

I am getting horse screaming at the car to STFU!!!!!!!!!

 

[Abacinator]

No street car needs more than 450 hp

Most driver's can't handle more than 250HP

 

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No street motorcycle needs more than 100 hp?

I’d say 150 for a bike

 

[ThinkFast]

Most driver's can't handle more than 250HP

They make a Camry that puts out 310. You can also get a Suby Outback with 260 or more.
My old 911 makes only 215, and you can get into trouble in a hurry driving that thing fast through the twisties.
Cars aren’t fast - drivers are.

 

[greenmonster]

$500,000 price, 1,000 HP, cost of insurance? sky high.

It's a rich man's toy. But if you were an AI stock millionaire would you buy one for fun?

 

[ST Guy]

True. My old VW bus was very fast but I had the skills to drive it fast. And the 235 HP did help some.

 

[Blankpage]

Just realized my truck has 310 hp and it’s pretty underwhelming. But then a car shouldn’t weigh as much as a truck so 1000 pounds less and 140 hp more should get you where you need to go with some fun factor

 

[TheRobSJ]

No street car needs more than 450 hp

Lol. The rich folks would disagree. Almost every customer car I drive at my shop is 500+hp. After a day of work, I get in my 2025 Acura to drive home and feel like a completely outmatched underpowered peasant with only 270hp on tap.

 

[augustiron]

Most driver's can't handle more than 250HP on a motorcycle

Lmftfy

 

[augustiron]

$500,000 price, 1,000 HP, cost of insurance? sky high.

It's a rich man's toy. But if you were an AI stock millionaire would you buy one for fun?

It IS a Porsche..

 

[ThinkFast]

Yes, if I had $500k laying around that I wouldn’t miss I’d totally buy one (assuming a dealer would let me buy their allotted one, which I wouldn’t bet on).

The collector value of these will be astronomical. Probably double in value within 3-5 years - maybe less.

Re insurance, that’s right up there with asking what kind of mpg the thing gets. If you have to ask….

 

[Climber]

If the supply is low, dealer mark-up will likely be very high.

 

[ThinkFast]

If?? The 918 production run was 918. The Carerra GT was around 1200. Those are both total for worldwide distribution. The US market gets about half of them. I’d expect the Mission S to be similarly limited. This car will come in above 911s in the lineup. The top dog 911 GT3 RS production runs in 991.1, 991.2 and 992 series were all about 4500-5000 cars each. These cars get sold in the US with massive dealer markups - $100k+ (not allowed in Europe), and with low allocations, if you’re not already an established customer with your dealer, good luck even getting a chance to buy at any price.

 

[littlebeast]

i reached out earlier to a collector friend who has 17 911’s and asked his opinion (he’s famous in porsche circles, and if anybody could be on their short list, it would be him). he replied - super excited, loves it. but said he’s been working on a friend of his to sell his shelby cobra, and it looks like that deal is gonna go through, so that’s all he’s focused on right now. poor guy. such choices to make lol.

 

[TheRobSJ]

It’s been brushed on a bit already here in this thread, but what’s truly sickening about cars like this is that the majority of them will never ever be driven remotely close to the way they were intended.

In recent years, Porsche has especially leaned into catering to the “investor” buyer. Seems like every year now, the folks from Stuttgart are dazzling us with yet another limited special edition of the 911 turbo or GT3.

Oh what’s different about this one? It looks like the 30 other 911 models they have.

Well this is the one we’ve really been waiting for them to make all along. The Sport Classic is the only way to get a turbo with a manual transmission.

And what’s the sticker on that?

Well it’s about $50k over the regular turbo model (though a little less power), but you get some gold badges, some race number stickers on the door, and the manual transmission (they put in cheaper 911s)…but limited to only 1250 cars!

You going to track it? Looks like you got the carbon race bucket seats.

Oh god no. Wouldn’t want to ruin the resale value by doing that. And the resale is higher with those seats. Not as comfortable as the 18-ways, but you get all your money back and then some. I also ordered it with PTS paint to truly make it special. So I’ll only take it to a couple shows (cars&coffee), and then I’ll get into something else in a year or two. “I get bored of my cars fast.” I buy a new 911 every year plus I got a Taycan too so my dealer sells me the limited models at MSRP. I’ll be able to flip it for double what I paid for it.

So it’s just an investment piece then?

Well yeah. But look how cool it is at the Porsche show parked next to all the other 911s that look pretty much just like it. Mine stands out because of my PTS paint.

……..aight. Couldn’t you have just taken than $240k and dumped it into Nvidia a couple years ago and you’d have over a million bucks by now?

You just don’t get it man.

 

[Dmitriy]

It’s been brushed on a bit already here in this thread, but what’s truly sickening about cars like this is that the majority of them will never ever be driven remotely close to the way they were intended.

In recent years, Porsche has especially leaned into catering to the “investor” buyer. Seems like every year now, the folks from Stuttgart are dazzling us with yet another limited special edition of the 911 turbo or GT3.

Oh what’s different about this one? It looks like the 30 other 911 models they have.

Well this is the one we’ve really been waiting for them to make all along. The Sport Classic is the only way to get a turbo with a manual transmission.

And what’s the sticker on that?

Well it’s about $50k over the regular turbo model (though a little less power), but you get some gold badges, some race number stickers on the door, and the manual transmission (they put in cheaper 911s)…but limited to only 1250 cars!

You going to track it? Looks like you got the carbon race bucket seats.

Oh god no. Wouldn’t want to ruin the resale value by doing that. And the resale is higher with those seats. Not as comfortable as the 18-ways, but you get all your money back and then some. I also ordered it with PTS paint to truly make it special. So I’ll only take it to a couple shows (cars&coffee), and then I’ll get into something else in a year or two. “I get bored of my cars fast.” I buy a new 911 every year plus I got a Taycan too so my dealer sells me the limited models at MSRP. I’ll be able to flip it for double what I paid for it.

So it’s just an investment piece then?

Well yeah. But look how cool it is at the Porsche show parked next to all the other 911s that look pretty much just like it. Mine stands out because of my PTS paint.

……..aight. Couldn’t you have just taken than $240k and dumped it into Nvidia a couple years ago and you’d have over a million bucks by now?

You just don’t get it man.

And there is the RUB... Self Driving tesla's and teens not getting their DL's are all killing CAR culture.....

Cars were ÜberCool when it was an adventure to go far or fast or somewhere no one has ever been before. It was undetermined if you would make it without breaking down or getting a ticket or other trouble, or just stuck in the mud or run out of fuel. Now they are a utility just like your cellphone (literally you buy a Tesla just like an iPhone right? Fucking website looks identical down to the right hand side option selection)

Not 2 threads ago @budman posted about Skyline speeding issues, where do you think you can ever open up that supercar? Sure not Skyline soon. Oh I'll take it to the track - like Laguna - oh wait the noise NIMBY's want that closed too....

We aren't even discussing ICE and California issues here...

For those who read it this far, you might have caught my drift. BUT IMO a hypercar is not an investment for long at this point....
Even if they get updates to match Tesla HW4 self driving abilities you are still doing 5 days a week siting in bumper to bumper on the way to the office or school or whatever only to be obsolete in a NYC minute.

Get something you love now to drive or ride for the features it has an enjoy it every day.

EDIT: I mean shit look at how hard ICE is trying to stay relevant:

MotoGP support showcase at COTA F1 race? Wait. What?

Well this should be interesting. Take four MotoGP known fast guys, put them on the outgoing liter MotoGP bikes, and have them put on a show to entertain the F1 fans at COTA next year. Sounds like a hoot. Wonder whether it’ll make anyone there consider adding MotoGP or roadracing in general to...

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