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Old 12-24-2019, 05:54 PM   #16
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When you're riding on the street, the law doesn't protect you. We've all seen that. We have to protect ourselves. The rider was a fool for splitting two busses. Was the bus driver complicit? Yes, he should have expected a fool to do something foolish but he felt protected by his vehicle. We motorcyclists don't usually depend on the wisdom of others, we count on their foolishness to survive. When we forget that rule, we get hurt.
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Old 12-26-2019, 02:03 AM   #17
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Recently I had to take an expensive ($200) class on attitudinal driving that was imposed by the local traffic commissioner for my getting caught speeding. The class taught me as a driver and a rider that I like to take risks in my pursuit of having fun while behind the wheel and riding.

Now had I been the rider in the video, and as much as riding between buses might have seemed genuinely different and kind of inviting, I also know that riding between 18-wheeler trucks is a definite no-no don't do it it's sure death kind of thing. So knowing me, I might have ridden slowly between the buses instead of stayed back and honked my dinky horn a bunch of times. So maybe I might have not been caught by the opening doors but instead only been trapped behind them.

As riders, we flirt with death and serious injury every time we get on a bike. Your friend, OP, may have learned a lesson. But perhaps the biggest lesson he learned might have been yes, it was a novelty to ride between two seemingly parked buses but in the end was worth it?

I'd have to say, No, it sure wasn't, considering the consequences.

Glad your friend made it out alive. Let's hope he from now on instead of risking it, opts not to. And to slow the hell down too.
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Old 12-26-2019, 09:05 AM   #18
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If it were a car who'd doored the rider, nobody would blink, the car driver/occupant would be clearly at fault. A bus doors the rider, splitting through two lanes of traffic- not the curb side, or anything foolish like that- and ya'll blame the rider?

Sorry folks. The rider was in the right; the driver was in the wrong for opening the door into traffic, regardless if bus/car/whatever vehicle.

Agreed that the rider could have been more prudent with how they approached that situation, but it's really, really easy to armchair quarterback after the fact, especially with the distortion that wide angle video adds to our understanding of the situation.
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Old 12-26-2019, 09:31 AM   #19
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Nobody is disputing that the rider was not in the right and the driver was wrong to open the bus door.
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Old 12-26-2019, 10:17 AM   #20
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Nobody is disputing that the rider was not in the right and the driver was wrong to open the bus door.
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Old 12-26-2019, 10:50 AM   #21
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A bus doors the rider, splitting through two lanes of traffic- not the curb side, or anything foolish like that- and ya'll blame the rider?
I still blame the rider. It was a dumb move. It was an unsafe move.

If you go through your riding career expecting everybody else to always do the right thing, you'll eventually get nailed by something stupid like a bus opening their door unexpectedly. You can't trust everybody else to do the right thing, you have to ride so that when they do something wrong they still can't get you.
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Old 12-26-2019, 11:29 AM   #22
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We're moving away from the purpose of the Crash Analysis forum. Let's bring things back on point.

Legal fault isn't the issue here. Riding in a manner that relies on others to do the right thing is problematic at best, deadly at the worst.
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If it were a car who'd doored the rider, nobody would blink, the car driver/occupant would be clearly at fault. A bus doors the rider, splitting through two lanes of traffic- not the curb side, or anything foolish like that- and ya'll blame the rider?

Sorry folks. The rider was in the right; the driver was in the wrong for opening the door into traffic, regardless if bus/car/whatever vehicle.

Agreed that the rider could have been more prudent with how they approached that situation, but it's really, really easy to armchair quarterback after the fact, especially with the distortion that wide angle video adds to our understanding of the situation.
O, legally, the rider was probably in the right.

As a survivor and motorcycle rider, he's a total failure. That was a total no no stupid ass move. And that's what counts. The law only applies if there is a way to enforce it. But survival skills don't worry about that, they enable one to continue respiration.
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Old 12-27-2019, 02:11 AM   #24
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First..........that is a solid yellow with a dash yellow on the left side......that is a center left turn lane and only should be entered when doing a left turn.

Second, the riders experience, seat time is not known. By seat time, I mean hours........not months or years.

That was a bad judgement call based on either inexperience or complacency.

There are times to split and times not to, knowing the difference is of great importance to safe motorcycling.
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Okay, here's my third crash analysis:

As riders, except at merging lanes, we can split just about anywhere.

And we're usually judged 55% at fault when we split and a mishap ensues.

Now if the rider filed a police report, the police report would most likely say the rider was "doored" by the bus driver opening his front door.

However, as the rider had a narrower "lane" in which to split due to the size and length of the buses, and the loss of the passing lane on the left, I bet the police report would say the rider made a mistake in judgment by attempting the split. Thus he was 55% percent at fault for this mishap.

Could and should he have foreseen that the bus driver on the left might have opened his doors? No. But that possibility does not take away from the idea that the rider chose a course of action that had a 50/50 chance of a mishap occurring at speed (his bar end could have clipped the side of the bus, he could have ridden into the side of a bus, the left bus could hsve driven to the right before making a left, thus squeezing the rider against the second bus, etc.).
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Okay, here's my third crash analysis:

As riders, except at merging lanes, we can split just about anywhere.

And we're usually judged 55% at fault when we split and a mishap ensues.

Now if the rider filed a police report, the police report would most likely say the rider was "doored" by the bus driver opening his front door.

However, as the rider had a narrower "lane" in which to split due to the size and length of the buses, and the loss of the passing lane on the left, I bet the police report would say the rider made a mistake in judgment by attempting the split. Thus he was 55% percent at fault for this mishap.

Could and should he have foreseen that the bus driver on the left might have opened his doors? No. But that possibility does not take away from the idea that the rider chose a course of action that had a 50/50 chance of a mishap occurring at speed (his bar end could have clipped the side of the bus, he could have ridden into the side of a bus, the left bus could hsve driven to the right before making a left, thus squeezing the rider against the second bus, etc.).
Incorrect. You can't ride in bicycle lanes, and passing on the right rules are the same for cars and motorcycles.
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Incorrect. You can't ride in bicycle lanes, and passing on the right rules are the same for cars and motorcycles.
And I'm pretty sure it's against the law to use the center turn lane pass a vehicle. (Or split passed a vehicle)
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Incorrect. You can't ride in bicycle lanes, and passing on the right rules are the same for cars and motorcycles.
If the middle lane is a left turn and passing lane -- I seem to recall a broken yellow in the middle (left of the rider's side) -- how is it a bicycle lane?
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If the middle lane is a left turn and passing lane -- I seem to recall a broken yellow in the middle (left of the rider's side) -- how is it a bicycle lane?
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Exactly Enchanter. The motorcycle was making an illegal passing/splitting maneuver, and was thusly rewarded with a slap of fate. I bet the rider was cited, and no fault was issued to the bus driver. (speculation)
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