CA to start smogging bikes? - BARF

bruddakhan · 01-15-2013, 01:45 PM

What the hell is this? Is this just a way for CA to make some easy cash?

packnrat · 01-16-2013, 05:05 PM

ea$y for them, not $o ea$y for u$.

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Oh My Sack! · 01-16-2013, 09:54 PM

Where are you seeing this?

Fran Pavely, the POS legislator, introduced a bill a year or so ago that ultimately got shot down but I'm not surprised that the issue has reared it's ugly head again.

bruddakhan · 01-16-2013, 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oh My Sack!

Where are you seeing this?

Fran Pavely, the POS legislator, introduced a bill a year or so ago that ultimately got shot down but I'm not surprised that the issue has reared it's ugly head again.

LOL, i heard it at cycle gear the other day. Not sure if its being brought up again?

**Map8** · 01-17-2013, 09:43 AM

No new bills using the words "motorcycle," "test," "smog" or "emmissions" have been introduced according the search engine on the CA legislature site. The only recent change is the law that states exhaust systems on motorcycles manufactured after January 1, 2013 have to meet Federal sound regulations.

I wouldn't trust anyone at Cycle Gear on legal issues unless he or she can tell you where to find the bill, the bill # or even when the legislature is in session.

Ruslank · 01-17-2013, 11:32 AM

Little OT but i think its stupid in general you should be able to mod what ever you want and if you dont pass smog you dont then you have to revert to stock. But if you mod and pass smog but dont have the stupid stickers thats just dumb...

bruddakhan · 01-17-2013, 12:42 PM

Do bikes really produce that many emissions??

**Map8** · 01-17-2013, 12:46 PM

Bikes pollute way more than cars. Motorcycle fuel, exhaust and emmissions systems aren't nearly as sophisticated.

bruddakhan · 01-17-2013, 01:02 PM

(Accidentally posted twice)

bruddakhan · 01-17-2013, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DogBoy

Bikes pollute way more than cars. Motorcycle fuel, exhaust and emmissions systems aren't nearly as sophisticated.

Good to know, I had no idea. Figured smaller machine = less pollution

Hubbard 0 · 01-18-2013, 10:13 PM

Myth Busters did something on the subject and their results showed bikes putting out a lot more emissions.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/gree...emissions.html

evil06R6 · 01-19-2013, 12:47 AM

I've been a smog Technician since 2001, they have been trying to get this bill to pass to smog motor cycles for years and haven't been able to do so yet. They been trying for years to smog diesels, that went through 2 years ago and only pertains to 1998 and newer and is just a visual inspection and plug into OBDII. The reason why the chose 1998 and newer is because that was when they started installing smog equipment. I wouldn't be to worried about it.

#1 tuner · 01-20-2013, 05:04 PM

Not entirely true. They picked 1998 on diesels becuase most had gone to electronically controlled injection systems. That is why it is so easy to add power programmer to them thus making them easy starting point. I am sure they will eventually add motorcycles in the same fashion. They will pick a year models where manufactureres have gone to fuel injection. They may not include a tailpipe test initially they same as diesels are tested now. Todays motorcycle isn't nearly as "dirty" as an older carbureted model stock for stock. Most all have fuel injection some include closed loop operation with feedback through O2 sensor or A/F ratio sensor. All sold new in California have had evaporitive emissions canister for years now. Revenue stream will be too tempting for them not to smog them eventually.

Kornholio · 02-15-2013, 04:31 PM

Until the state can come up with a way to have motorcycles safely tested, there isn't going to be any sort of smog test.

packnrat · 02-15-2013, 07:52 PM

give the fools at carb to do it with no safe way to test a bike.
image a bike on a dynamometer machine. and the shop is by law not responsible for damage to your auto, so not responsible for damage to your bike.

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01-16-2013, 09:54 PM	#3
Oh My Sack! Rides at speed of smell Contributor Barf Roadside Angel Contributor Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Arroyo Grande, CA Motorcycles: Yamaha FJR1300A-ABS Name: Tim	Where are you seeing this? Fran Pavely, the POS legislator, introduced a bill a year or so ago that ultimately got shot down but I'm not surprised that the issue has reared it's ugly head again. __________________ __________________________

01-17-2013, 09:43 AM	#5
Map8 I want nothing BARF Moderator - BARF Sponsor Barfie Winner 2017 Contributor + + + + + + + + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: West Sacramento, CA Motorcycles: 2017 Df3, YZ250F/SM (parting out), DRZ400SM, KTM 450SMR Name: Steve	No new bills using the words "motorcycle," "test," "smog" or "emmissions" have been introduced according the search engine on the CA legislature site. The only recent change is the law that states exhaust systems on motorcycles manufactured after January 1, 2013 have to meet Federal sound regulations. I wouldn't trust anyone at Cycle Gear on legal issues unless he or she can tell you where to find the bill, the bill # or even when the legislature is in session. __________________ Only stickers increase horsepower. Duh. -mikhail “Valentino is just a super down-to-earth, right on dude,” -Brad Baker BARF Terms of Service

01-17-2013, 12:46 PM	#8
Map8 I want nothing BARF Moderator - BARF Sponsor Barfie Winner 2017 Contributor + + + + + + + + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: West Sacramento, CA Motorcycles: 2017 Df3, YZ250F/SM (parting out), DRZ400SM, KTM 450SMR Name: Steve	Bikes pollute way more than cars. Motorcycle fuel, exhaust and emmissions systems aren't nearly as sophisticated. __________________ Only stickers increase horsepower. Duh. -mikhail “Valentino is just a super down-to-earth, right on dude,” -Brad Baker BARF Terms of Service

02-15-2013, 04:31 PM	#14
Kornholio :wave Top Percent Poster Contributor +++ BB Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Hayweird Motorcycles: Goldilocks Name: Jason	Until the state can come up with a way to have motorcycles safely tested, there isn't going to be any sort of smog test. __________________ I would hit it so hard, whoever pulled me out would be king of England. -MrIncredible Being a bit of a dick is one thing. Being an ever-enduring cocksicle is another. -Hundo I forgot that Yelp is a weapon for dumb people. -Stewie Griffin

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01-16-2013, 05:05 PM	#2
packnrat Veteran Contributor Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: california Motorcycles: 2004 FZ1 1993 klr 650 1978 xl 350 Name:	ea$y for them, not $o ea$y for u$. .

01-17-2013, 11:32 AM	#6
Ruslank Rookie Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: San jose Motorcycles: white ninja 636 Name: Ruslan	Little OT but i think its stupid in general you should be able to mod what ever you want and if you dont pass smog you dont then you have to revert to stock. But if you mod and pass smog but dont have the stupid stickers thats just dumb...

01-18-2013, 10:13 PM	#11
Hubbard 0 Midwesterner Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Monterey Motorcycles: 2007 R1 Name: Rob	Myth Busters did something on the subject and their results showed bikes putting out a lot more emissions. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/gree...emissions.html

01-19-2013, 12:47 AM	#12
evil06R6 Newbie Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Santa Cruz Motorcycles: 2006 Yamaha R6 Name:	I've been a smog Technician since 2001, they have been trying to get this bill to pass to smog motor cycles for years and haven't been able to do so yet. They been trying for years to smog diesels, that went through 2 years ago and only pertains to 1998 and newer and is just a visual inspection and plug into OBDII. The reason why the chose 1998 and newer is because that was when they started installing smog equipment. I wouldn't be to worried about it.

01-20-2013, 05:04 PM	#13
#1 tuner TWF racing's speed bump Join Date: May 2010 Location: Clovis,Ca. Motorcycles: Yeah I work on them too! Name: Billy	Not entirely true. They picked 1998 on diesels becuase most had gone to electronically controlled injection systems. That is why it is so easy to add power programmer to them thus making them easy starting point. I am sure they will eventually add motorcycles in the same fashion. They will pick a year models where manufactureres have gone to fuel injection. They may not include a tailpipe test initially they same as diesels are tested now. Todays motorcycle isn't nearly as "dirty" as an older carbureted model stock for stock. Most all have fuel injection some include closed loop operation with feedback through O2 sensor or A/F ratio sensor. All sold new in California have had evaporitive emissions canister for years now. Revenue stream will be too tempting for them not to smog them eventually.

02-15-2013, 07:52 PM	#15
packnrat Veteran Contributor Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: california Motorcycles: 2004 FZ1 1993 klr 650 1978 xl 350 Name:	give the fools at carb to do it with no safe way to test a bike. image a bike on a dynamometer machine. and the shop is by law not responsible for damage to your auto, so not responsible for damage to your bike. .