Unregistering a bike - BARF

Gravisman · 12-18-2018, 10:06 PM

I have a resistered bike which I’m considering converting to track only use. Do I need to do anything to “unregister” the vehicle or can I get away with simply ignoring registration and insurance renewals? Do I need to register as PNO even if I never plan on converting back to road legal?

motomania2007 · 12-18-2018, 11:17 PM

File the PNO or it will continue to accrue more and more past due registration fees

Gravisman · 12-19-2018, 06:20 AM

But do the past due fees mean anything if you never register again? What do you do when a vehicle is destroyed or moved out of state? Certainly you don’t file a PNO then.

m0t0_ryder · 12-19-2018, 07:12 AM

I think it's called... Affidavit of Non-Use.

From HERE.

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This online service allows you to notify the DMV that the currently registered vehicle is not being operated or parked on any California roadway and the liability coverage has been cancelled to avoid registration suspension.

Hope this helps.

Gravisman · 12-19-2018, 09:01 AM

Perfect - thanks!

Slabhappy · 12-19-2018, 09:05 AM

Seems like a Planned non Operation will keep its resale value intact. Too many bike owners let the Reg lapse and results in back fees and financially non viable Bike.

MapleRoad · 12-19-2018, 10:21 AM

What do people do with financially nonviable vehicles?

thedub · 12-19-2018, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by MapleRoad

What do people do with financially nonviable vehicles?

You notify the DMV of a Total Loss Salvage or Nonrepairable vehicle. https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/de...s/howto/htvr16

sckego · 12-19-2018, 11:28 AM

PNO allows you to tow the bike, right? I thought if it's not registered it can't even be towed.

thedub · 12-19-2018, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by sckego

PNO allows you to tow the bike, right? I thought if it's not registered it can't even be towed.

The definition of PNO means that the vehicle will not be driven, towed, stored, or parked on public roads or highways for the entire registration year. I'm not a lawyer or cop, but I'm pretty sure that towing means with one or more axles on ground, so that the vehicle is still on the roadway. Towing a PNO vehicle entirely upon an open trailer is fine.

FoolishMortal · 12-19-2018, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by thedub

The definition of PNO means that the vehicle will not be driven, towed, stored, or parked on public roads or highways for the entire registration year. I'm not a lawyer or cop, but I'm pretty sure that towing means with one or more axles on ground, so that the vehicle is still on the roadway. Towing a PNO vehicle entirely upon an open trailer is fine.

Not sure that's accurate, but my memory is fuzzy. I think you need to get a "movement permit" to put a PNO vehicle on any roadway, even in a truck or trailer.

Of course, I can't imagine getting stopped solely for having a bike in a trailer or truck. Even if you get stopped, it would be a stretch for the LEO to hit you for transporting the bike...just don't deserve the extra attention.

motomania2007 · 12-19-2018, 10:33 PM

Pretty sure that if the PNO vehicle is not on the pavement, no permit is required.

Keep in mind most PNO vehicles are cars, trailers and motorhomes that towing means will still be on the roadway.

Motorcycles are the exception that towing does not have any part of the vehicle on the road.

tgrrdr · 12-20-2018, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Gravisman

I have a resistered bike which I’m considering converting to track only use. Do I need to do anything to “unregister” the vehicle or can I get away with simply ignoring registration and insurance renewals? Do I need to register as PNO even if I never plan on converting back to road legal?

from ca dmv

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Racing Motorcycles (CVC §38088)
OHV motorcycles used solely in organized racing or competitive events on a closed course such as speedways, racetracks, or defined routes of travel (on or off highway) cannot be registered. However, they may be issued a permit for a fee that allows transportation to/from course events. A closed course is not available for vehicle access by the general public other than event participants (CVC §38014). The permit is a sticker that must be mounted on the vehicle in a clearly visible location and remains valid until the vehicle is sold or dismantled.

afm199 · 12-28-2018, 01:11 PM

PNO it. Makes it easier all the way around. Costs $22 once. You can then sell it with a title if you want to. Don't let that lapse.

12-18-2018, 10:06 PM	#1
Gravisman Aspiring Racer Contributor Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: San Francisco Motorcycles: ZX-6R RSV4 Panigale 899 Ninja 300 FZ-07R Name: Gravisman	Unregistering a bike I have a resistered bike which I’m considering converting to track only use. Do I need to do anything to “unregister” the vehicle or can I get away with simply ignoring registration and insurance renewals? Do I need to register as PNO even if I never plan on converting back to road legal?

12-18-2018, 11:17 PM	#2
motomania2007 TC/MSF/CMSP/ Instructor Join Date: May 2008 Location: Merced, CA Motorcycles: BMW R1200R, FZ09, FZR400, CR250R Name: George	File the PNO or it will continue to accrue more and more past due registration fees __________________ If you are not having fun riding a motorcycle, you are doing it wrong. The best performance upgrade is upgrading the operating system of the operator. It is cheap, easy, fast, safe and works on every bike you will ever ride. I am also a Patent Attorney so if I can help you with any IP matters, please just ask.

12-19-2018, 09:05 AM	#6
Slabhappy Post Whore Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Fremont Motorcycles: 98 ST1100A 00 ST1100A Name: Jeff	Seems like a Planned non Operation will keep its resale value intact. Too many bike owners let the Reg lapse and results in back fees and financially non viable Bike. __________________ Never argue with an Idiot, People watching cant tell the difference.

12-19-2018, 11:28 AM	#9
sckego doesn't like crashing AMA #3283468 Mod Alumni Contributor + + + + 12% Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: San Jose Motorcycles: are fun Name: Kegan	PNO allows you to tow the bike, right? I thought if it's not registered it can't even be towed. __________________ Kegan -- '12 MTS1200ST -- '18 FX-S --'18 GROM 125 -- '20 FS 450 -- IBA #41999 -- AMA #3283468 -- AFM #895 My Ride Reports! -- BARF Terms of Service

12-19-2018, 10:33 PM	#12
motomania2007 TC/MSF/CMSP/ Instructor Join Date: May 2008 Location: Merced, CA Motorcycles: BMW R1200R, FZ09, FZR400, CR250R Name: George	Pretty sure that if the PNO vehicle is not on the pavement, no permit is required. Keep in mind most PNO vehicles are cars, trailers and motorhomes that towing means will still be on the roadway. Motorcycles are the exception that towing does not have any part of the vehicle on the road. __________________ If you are not having fun riding a motorcycle, you are doing it wrong. The best performance upgrade is upgrading the operating system of the operator. It is cheap, easy, fast, safe and works on every bike you will ever ride. I am also a Patent Attorney so if I can help you with any IP matters, please just ask.

12-19-2018, 06:20 AM	#3
Gravisman Aspiring Racer Contributor Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: San Francisco Motorcycles: ZX-6R RSV4 Panigale 899 Ninja 300 FZ-07R Name: Gravisman	But do the past due fees mean anything if you never register again? What do you do when a vehicle is destroyed or moved out of state? Certainly you don’t file a PNO then.

12-19-2018, 09:01 AM	#5
Gravisman Aspiring Racer Contributor Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: San Francisco Motorcycles: ZX-6R RSV4 Panigale 899 Ninja 300 FZ-07R Name: Gravisman	Perfect - thanks!

12-19-2018, 10:21 AM	#7
MapleRoad Veteran Contributor Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: Milptas Motorcycles: '13 Tiger XC 800 Name:	What do people do with financially nonviable vehicles?

12-28-2018, 01:11 PM	#14
afm199 Veteran Mod Alumni Founding Member Top Percent Poster Contributor +++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++3% Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oaklamd Motorcycles: Yamasuzhonaki 1450 Name: Mikezebub	PNO it. Makes it easier all the way around. Costs $22 once. You can then sell it with a title if you want to. Don't let that lapse. __________________ That's not true! The lie is actually the truth! I know. Lots of people know this.

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