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Old 04-10-2021, 08:07 PM   #16
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As Robert says, your wide exit from 3 made you low line 3a and forced you to keep too much lean angle over the crest. Iíd leave it leaned over a little longer in 3, which will set you up for a later apex in 3a. You should be picking up lean angle and back on the gas about where you lowsided.
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Old 04-12-2021, 09:24 PM   #17
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If Iím ďreadingĒ this video correctly you were not on the brake as you tried to make that turn. I donít brake there either, but a bit of brake would have helped keep the front planted and make the turn with the line you had. Better to fix the line as others mentioned, but if I were going in on your line Iíd probably want a finger brushing on the brake to steer through the turn.
I think he may have touched the brake a hair, but at a minimum, being off throttle w/ lean angle put him on the ground. That front tire has no contact patch to change the bike's direction. You HAVE to stay on the throttle and use the camber of the rear tire here. w/ no real way to load the contact patch (going uphill, a majority of weight is on the rear), any input @ the bars w a rolloff is a bad idea.

This video is a great learning tool for what to do when you make a mistake and now, need to clean it up. You're going to do this lots in your racing career. The key to staying upright is being able to recognize you're off line / out of sync and how to deal with it. When you're off line, what was a familiar corner is now, a totally new corner. The same moves in your "familiar corner" will now potentially put you on the ground.

....in my long and storied experience.

Jordan has a good vid on a 1K. Listen to the throttle.
youtu.be/uDu48XqJ8Yc

And on a 600, listen to Daniel's throttle (if you can hear through his music)
youtu.be/jun4rB4_Fag
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Old 04-13-2021, 11:39 PM   #18
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I think he may have touched the brake a hair, but at a minimum, being off throttle w/ lean angle put him on the ground. That front tire has no contact patch to change the bike's direction. You HAVE to stay on the throttle and use the camber of the rear tire here. w/ no real way to load the contact patch (going uphill, a majority of weight is on the rear), any input @ the bars w a rolloff is a bad idea.

This video is a great learning tool for what to do when you make a mistake and now, need to clean it up. You're going to do this lots in your racing career. The key to staying upright is being able to recognize you're off line / out of sync and how to deal with it. When you're off line, what was a familiar corner is now, a totally new corner. The same moves in your "familiar corner" will now potentially put you on the ground.

....in my long and storied experience.

Jordan has a good vid on a 1K. Listen to the throttle.
youtu.be/uDu48XqJ8Yc

And on a 600, listen to Daniel's throttle (if you can hear through his music)
youtu.be/jun4rB4_Fag
Thanks for videos! Very useful!
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Old 04-18-2021, 04:49 PM   #20
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It almost appears you added another steering input just before losing the front after your initial turn in. Its possible you added excessive weight to the front trying to bring yourself back online and as soon as the pavement fell away from you the front end said no more. After the initial turn in if you find yourself just off-line it may be best to accept it and get back on the throttle when you know you can pick up the bike to hit your exit. I think accepting your line is especially important in corners where the levels of grip are going to decrease like this one. My advise is increase your initial turn in rate and avoid further steering inputs.
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