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Old 02-28-2021, 11:32 AM   #1
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FTD is chaos.

Absolute sh1t show IMO, and I will tell those I ride with to be aware. Riders didn’t respect flags and the sessions were black flagged. Good for THill for enforcing safety protocols, but it was very disappointing *to me* that the provider’s instructors did not respond/do more on track enforcement at the time.

*For me*, I was not left with a positive impression - considering rider safety - and will not likely ride with them again.
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Old 02-28-2021, 12:08 PM   #2
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Old 02-28-2021, 03:15 PM   #3
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Old 02-28-2021, 05:19 PM   #4
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Absolute sh1t show, never again for me and will tell all I know to avoid it. Riders donít respect flags and the session gets black flagged. Good for THill for doing it, bad in the provider for not doing better on individual penalty.

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Old 02-28-2021, 07:09 PM   #5
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For those who aren't familiar with trackday providers, FTD?
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Old 02-28-2021, 07:23 PM   #6
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Old 02-28-2021, 07:23 PM   #7
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Basically, across all groups riders were going down - likely do to over excitement, a green track, and not minding tires - and people were slowing for yellow then being passed. Happened too many times, basically in all morning sessions, so they started black flagging for any infractions.

After 3x in a row...I didn’t stick around to see if the riders figured it out, or if the instructors started picking off the specific offenders.
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Old 02-28-2021, 07:55 PM   #8
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Basically, across all groups riders were going down - likely do to over excitement, a green track, and not minding tires - and people were slowing for yellow then being passed. Happened too many times, basically in all morning sessions, so they started black flagging for any infractions.

After 3x in a row...I didnít stick around to see if the riders figured it out, or if the instructors started picking off the specific offenders.
That sounds to me like itís more on the riders than the TDP.

Iíd chalk it up to cold weather, excitement to get back on track, and general buffoonery. Iíve done a few days with FTD and it wasnít a shit show. It was definitely a slower collection of riders than Iíve seen, but nothing egregious.

I used to ride almost exclusively with Keigwins back in the day because it was mostly fast guys that know what theyíre doing. I did one day with them after Lance sold it and it wasnít the same. Now I stick with Z2.
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I think FTD is aimed at more newer riders. Maybe you should stick to providers that cater to more advanced people.

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Old 03-01-2021, 09:03 AM   #10
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It got better after the verbal lashings. I don't see FTD as the culprit here. They went over flags in the riders meeting and even handed out pamphlets for folks that needed extra help. After the first session was black flagged, they got on the loud speaker to reinforce it. It's up the riders to absorb it.
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Old 03-01-2021, 11:44 AM   #11
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I've done several FTD days and really never had a problem. Maybe the higher amount of accidents could have been exacerbated by the fact that the pandemic has resulted in a larger number of riders who are really, really rusty?
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Old 03-01-2021, 12:10 PM   #12
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My experience has been cheaper track days attract riders with less skill (ie: newbs) which is ok, everyone is inexperienced at some point....
It also seems to bring in Calamari.... the "hold my beer and watch this!" crowd.
I like to avoid the latter..
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Old 03-01-2021, 07:33 PM   #13
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The worst part was the red flag in the afternoon. They let someone go on course while the ambulance still out there then made the guy stopped on top of turn 5 for a bit. Rest of other A group guy just sitting at the entrance for at least 15 minutes.
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Old 03-01-2021, 10:42 PM   #14
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Providing all of the benefits of the doubt, particularly first event of the year with excited riders, FTD still left me with a poor first impression. PTT’s season opener was the weekend prior and was ‘cleaner’ despite having several riders going off as well.

And when considering the number of incidents with the number of instructors that were supposed to be on track, I myself will likely just stick with C@TT, PTT, and Z2.
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Old 03-03-2021, 01:53 PM   #15
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So who do you guys recommend for an old rider new to a track environment?
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