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Old 04-01-2016, 01:40 PM   #46
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Agreed that the range is still not functional for an only vehicle for most, unless you factor in the cost and PITA of getting a rental some weekends that can actually go anywhere and back in a day.

A $35k "second car" is a ludicrous concept for the vast majority of people outside the Bay Area.
At 200+ miles it'd be my primary car. The backup car would be the one for road trips.
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Old 04-01-2016, 01:47 PM   #47
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At 200+ miles it'd be my primary car. The backup car would be the one for road trips.
That would be my plan. Battery car as primary transportation and a used Tahoe/Suburban for family road trips. I'm not taking a fancy car to Mexico anytime soon anyhow.
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Old 04-01-2016, 02:05 PM   #48
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Old 04-01-2016, 02:32 PM   #49
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Agreed that the range is still not functional for an only vehicle for most, unless you factor in the cost and PITA of getting a rental some weekends that can actually go anywhere and back in a day.

A $35k "second car" is a ludicrous concept for the vast majority of people outside the Bay Area.
While you're correct I thought it's obvious that the standard for any family with independent spouses
Outside of a city like SF
Does have two cars anyway.

In any case this may be related to the malfunctions in BART. If the mass transit is not operational, people get second cars albeit with a short range.

This is actually still really hard to understand for anyone outside of the USA who still use their cars to go on far out weekend getaways
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Old 04-01-2016, 04:18 PM   #50
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...for the 1% of drivers who regularly drive more than 200 miles a day.
No, for the 90% of drivers who ever want to drive more than 200 miles in a day.
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Old 04-01-2016, 04:21 PM   #51
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I'm planning on having a large solar panel array installed so that will alleviate some strain from my Model 3 charging.
(Maybe) There are several ways to do it...

Lowest cost is do everything Yourself... Just buying the components and framework materials.
Do Your own Engineering, and installation.

Having a service do it... Will/can make the cost, hard to factor out.

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Old 04-01-2016, 04:33 PM   #52
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No, for the 90% of drivers who ever want to drive more than 200 miles in a day.
You can charge them in 20-30 minutes when you do need to go over 200 miles.

Nobody will buy gas cars in 10 years. Trust me.
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Old 04-01-2016, 05:07 PM   #54
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I'm planning on having a large solar panel array installed so that will alleviate some strain from my Model 3 charging.
I charge my Volt every night and my PG&E bill only went up about $60.
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Old 04-01-2016, 05:19 PM   #56
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After buying my Volt, I am pretty sure my next commuter car will be 100% electric.

Judging from photos alone, I'd get the Chevy Bolt instead of the Tesla Model 3.
Why, may I ask.

Model III has the ~6000 Supercharger network and is a little less.

The city car look of the Bolt (like a Honda Fit) is very functional, but I don't think people think its stylish. I like the shape, but I like the shape of the Model III better.
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You can charge them in 20-30 minutes when you do need to go over 200 miles.

Nobody will buy gas cars in 10 years. Trust me.
10 years maybe. Today? Not ready.
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Old 04-01-2016, 05:45 PM   #58
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Nobody will buy gas cars in 10 years. Trust me.
In only 10 years, I doubt it. There'll be a market for petrol cars for a long time yet.
But by then a 500 mile range car will be the first pick for a large chunk of car shoppers.
Places like China with their pollution problem may very will legislate electric only. Thats a big market that could help make Tesla's stock price look half reasonable.
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Old 04-01-2016, 06:19 PM   #59
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Old 04-01-2016, 06:52 PM   #60
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When did the GM EV1 come out? 90'? Gas will be so cheap, it's gonna be exciting!
Not quite that far back. 1996. Was truly ahead of its time. Full aluminum frame, thermoplastic body panels, magnesium wheels, only 3000lbs(with over 1/3 of that being batteries), and a coefficient of drag that a Honda Insight could only dream of.

It'd be interesting if someone could take one of those EV1s (there's only a handful left)and retrofit it with a modern lithium ion pack. I bet it could probably go 400+ miles on a charge.


And yeah I'm hoping the EV demand makes gas cheaper. I like burning gas.
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