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Old 05-21-2018, 10:35 PM   #16
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I have a friend who got way into it and the "community." He spent a ton building up a rig, then teamed up with a guy to start a business. Guy played him and stole the business and left my friend with nothing but thousands of dollars lost and a new sense of betrayal.

I have a lifted 4x4 that I like to take to remote areas for camping and recreation. But the whole "overlanding" scene seems very heavily gear focused and a lot of dick measuring based on who's got what kit.

Maybe you found a cooler crew. Your pics do make it look like you're having a great time
my experience has been the opposite. it’s been a long time since my SO and i had 4x4’s but we were totally into it at the time. some of my best memories were with awesome friends out off roading. we’d go deep into the back country, exploring, shooting, cooking awesome meals over the fire. often times in deep snow. with great friends, our families and our dogs. good times. i’m not sure i could say life has ever been any better than that.
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Old 05-22-2018, 02:16 AM   #17
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my experience has been the opposite. it’s been a long time since my SO and i had 4x4’s but we were totally into it at the time. some of my best memories were with awesome friends out off roading. we’d go deep into the back country, exploring, shooting, cooking awesome meals over the fire. often times in deep snow. with great friends, our families and our dogs. good times. i’m not sure i could say life has ever been any better than that.
The wheelin I grew up doing with friends isn't what today's Overlanding is. I'm not saying it's not fun, but there seems to be a difference in culture around the activity.
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Old 05-22-2018, 02:20 AM   #18
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Went over a small rise and never saw the washout on the other side. Luckily the gravel road behind me was well traveled, and a Subaru gave me a tug.


To me, the original idea of overlanding was an attempt to copy the "explorer" ideals.
Camping is "for the destination".
i.e. "We're going to the lake and spending the weekend..."

Overlanding is "for the journey".
i.e. " We're going to take this trail, and see where it goes. we're aiming for______ to be reached in a few days".

But it definitely seems to have become a new fashion show!
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Old 05-22-2018, 06:12 AM   #19
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Nice, what shape was Usal in? I went there 3 years ago and am thinking of going back. Did you drive out the road north? I have a 94 toyota 22re pickup 2wd.

Sorry I missed this last night. Road was fine. So fine a WRX made it to the campground. Just a few ruts on the way. Didn’t go north of the beach, and one of the locals said it was a shitshow.
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Old 05-22-2018, 06:27 AM   #20
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Great pics. Looks like you (and your dog) upgraded from your truck tent.

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I have a lifted 4x4 that I like to take to remote areas for camping and recreation. But the whole "overlanding" scene seems very heavily gear focused and a lot of dick measuring based on who's got what kit.

Maybe you found a cooler crew. Your pics do make it look like you're having a great time
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They can call it what they like.

To me, the original idea of overlanding was an attempt to copy the "explorer" ideals.
Camping is "for the destination".
i.e. "We're going to the lake and spending the weekend..."

Overlanding is "for the journey".
i.e. " We're going to take this trail, and see where it goes. we're aiming for______ to be reached in a few days".

But it definitely seems to have become a new fashion show!

I don’t get all that hung up on definitions and labels. I can’t be the full-time wanderer/explorer that everyone pretends to be, I get out a couple of weekends a month and drag some friends along and I have fun with what I do. No, I don’t do any “serious wheelin’” because I won’t do that with a $40,000 truck. My goals are to get out in the woods with my dog, spend the night around a campfire, and sleep under the stars. My truck and gear are tailored towards making that as hassle-free as possible and dealing with SHTF situations.

I get you guys about the fashion gear thing though. Have you guys seen the pics/vids from Overland Expo West this past weekend? I tuned out. Some of these guys are geared up like they’re going deep into the Sahara. There’s definitely some poser Kool-Aid going around but if they’ve got money to burn, that’s their business.

People need to stop giving too much of a fuck about what other people are doing. If a dude wants to drive his 8-mpg Defender to his accounting 9-5 in LA that’s his business.
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Ton of great areas on both sides of the Sierra range. I like the west sides for quick weekend runs, as you can get to a number of trailheads in about 3-4 hours. I haven't explored the east side as much because i kind of enjoy the open high plains just east of 395.

I'll shoot you some invites when we head out. Right now i have a fussy transmission in the green Heep that's keeping it out of the action, and the silver one isn't set up for sleeping. But trips are coming!
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Old 05-22-2018, 11:54 AM   #24
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Was it a gun totin' shit show with the locals at Usal? Every time I've been there on a weekend it was god awful, loud music, fireworks and gunfire.
I ride my bike over the Mendo and camp there a few times a year, I never go on weekends. Last year was there on a Thursday night and it was absolutely perfect! When there are not crowds it is a great place.
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Was it a gun totin' shit show with the locals at Usal? Every time I've been there on a weekend it was god awful, loud music, fireworks and gunfire.
I ride my bike over the Mendo and camp there a few times a year, I never go on weekends. Last year was there on a Thursday night and it was absolutely perfect! When there are not crowds it is a great place.



Not so much guns, but definitely the fireworks. Apparently we picked the same damn weekend the locals do their annual "May feed" event on. There was only 4 rigs sleeping on the beach but the actual campground was packed with the locals. There were trucks and dirt bikes crossing the creek (despite the signs) and doing donuts on the sand.

Drinking and fireworks until 3AM. We decided to get out of there at 5:30AM before the zombies woke up.

State Parks needs to get in there and saturate that area, write tickets, and lock people up for the next year to curb some of the shit that we saw there. Just straight disrespect and whitetrashery by the locals who take it for granted that that gem is in their backyard.
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Old 05-22-2018, 12:26 PM   #26
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Go for it! Please post pics when you do.
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