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Old 08-02-2007, 01:53 PM   #1
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Generalizations about specific riding groups and barf

I wanted respond with my opinion based on this thread, but felt it would be lost so here ya go.

The thread ..another about stunters:
http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/fo...5&pagenumber=1


I hate generalizations... but it is a matter of fact in life.
Business, government the moto and general public do it everyday.

Guys who stunt or ride super fast on well trafficked roads will help generalize the public's view of motorcyclist . Same with guys who ride in T-shirts and no gloves, or sandals or shorts or drunk.. etc. etc..

Hell.. IMO we as motorcyclists still are seen so much as an outlaw group due to years of the Hell's Angels grip on the public perception. We know that is true right??

And to say that barf wants the Ruff Riders to die in the original thread above.. (I believe the intent is to die off as a group) is a generalization too. Barf is a bunch a members that are as diverse as society and just love bikes and loves to talk about them. I personally don't like to hear the generalizations about barf either, but WTF are you going to do..? That is how people are. Most of barf is actually quiet. We may have 500 people a day who post, but we have 5000 that look and read and likely often behind the keyboard they are going or or

So who is barf?? Who are the RR?? SBF??? Just people that have a little more in common than just being a rider. To say that all are a certain way is just a generalization that is not completely true. We become more likely suspects of such by joining or identifying ourselves with those groups, but that may be likely a reality.. just not given fact.

If you are posting here on barf and a RR then you too are part of barf.

If you are posting here on barf and a LEO then you to0 are part of barf..

And so on and so on...

Do barfers vote and give to charity or volunteer at events that help our society?? Do the other groups do that?? Do we all pay taxes and so on and so on. Sure.. some do.. some don't. We all pay taxes to some extent.

Generalize all you want, but each individual is something else besides being part of a group. Each person chooses their path in life and interests.. If your reading this then motorcycling is likely a chosen path and welcome to That is what WE are.

I believe that most of us want the publics perception of us to be favorable and that leads to many opinions about certain activities. I know for myself I have been on almost every side of these issues and maybe that has jaded my own opinion.

Stunted.. yup.
Rode dirt in restricted areas .. yup.
Sped on public roads...yup.
Had my Harley bad boy look and drank... yup.

I am no saint, but experience/knowledge has cooled my jets to some degree and left me with a fairly realistic view into who we motorcyclist are. Again IMO.

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Old 08-02-2007, 01:59 PM   #2
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Old 08-02-2007, 02:00 PM   #3
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If I see another motorcyclist on the road, no matter what their ride, I instantly conclude that I have more in common with that person then any driver on the same stretch.

If I do something stupid, I've just cemented in driver's minds every reason they have to feel they have nothing in common with me.

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Old 08-02-2007, 02:11 PM   #4
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Old 08-02-2007, 02:12 PM   #5
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Old 08-02-2007, 02:15 PM   #6
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what i dont understand is why riders HAVE to fall into their stereotypes.

like if you buy a harley, why do they wear the same type of helmet, grow a beard and wear the same gear (or lack there of)?

why do sportbikers have to put tiny turn signals and their bike, remove the fender, and shove the license plate up what looks like the bike's ass?

Why do BMW riders wear the funny gray jumpsuits with the reflectors and a gray flip face helmet?

i know there are exception, but exceptions dont make the rule. so i know YOU dont do that, but most riders you see on the street do.

i know when i had my magna, i did everything i could to buck the trend and wore a full face helmet with full gear. now on my buell, i make sure not to use chew, wear flannels, or live in a trailer.
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Old 10-18-2007, 10:56 PM   #7
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Why do BMW riders wear the funny gray jumpsuits with the reflectors and a gray flip face helmet?
Hey, I resemble that remark
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Old 11-19-2008, 08:52 AM   #8
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what i dont understand is why riders HAVE to fall into their stereotypes.
Because its a sense of belonging

like if you buy a harley, why do they wear the same type of helmet, grow a beard and wear the same gear (or lack there of)?
Look at the White Kids in Gangsta get up in an affluent school

why do sportbikers have to put tiny turn signals and their bike, remove the fender, and shove the license plate up what looks like the bike's ass?
I have no issue with that, just dont fold your ears under your cap and wear that sideways

Why do BMW riders wear the funny gray jumpsuits with the reflectors and a gray flip face helmet?
Because They are special

i know there are exception, but exceptions dont make the rule. so i know YOU dont do that, but most riders you see on the street do.


i know when i had my magna, i did everything i could to buck the trend and wore a full face helmet with full gear. now on my buell, i make sure not to use chew, wear flannels, or live in a trailer.
When I told my daughters old boyfriend where and what the meaning is for wearing your pants at your ankles, he pulled his pants up

Back to generalizations
It is true there are idiots in every group, there are those in our own community that are bombastic self absorbed narcissists, that insist and toss tantrums over a simple name. What it all means is IMHO is it is always the one who creates the issue for the many. The one photo of a wheelie down the freeway, the one who threatens to punch in a face because he dare post a rebuttle in a thread or the or the one who sits idle and watches the one(s) ruin it for all.
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great post, budman.

It makes me chuckle when I see people generalize BARF and BARFers into one group... hell, I have never had so many disagreements with another group of people as I have had with BARFers... and I consider myself one too!

I like to watch a good stunt, a good race, a good 'spirited' ride in the twisties, .... like them all.
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+1 here, makes sense to me and as always a enlightening point of view.
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