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Old 10-16-2018, 11:57 AM   #16
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Way back in the day when I was a scofflaw, got cited for stoppies in SoCal as "Unsafe Stop". Judge seemed to agree, so there

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Old 10-16-2018, 01:54 PM   #17
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Old 10-16-2018, 07:53 PM   #18
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I get that, but my point is the prosecution of a misdemeanor 23103 violation is inherently more complicated since you need jurors to agree on conviction instead of a traffic commissioner (and a lower standard of proof)
Pretty sure the standard of proof is still “beyond a reasonable doubt” whether it goes to traffic court or criminal court.
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Old 10-16-2018, 08:14 PM   #19
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Pretty sure the standard of proof is still “beyond a reasonable doubt” whether it goes to traffic court or criminal court.
Oh Jesus ok so I’m just saying convincing a salty traffic court judge of a violation is easier than a frickin jury trial for someone doing a wheelie or stoppie. Fuck!
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Old 10-17-2018, 08:47 AM   #20
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Now that was pretty cool! Guy going to "clearance" everything on the low sides of bike that's for sure! :

Wanted to mention one thing: save the stoppies for places you are familiar with that has clean pavement.

I used to love doing stoppies on group rides just for hilarity. UNTIL I found some oil/crap on pavement & dam near ate it big time. After that, saved my stoppies for places I knew were clean...

But you never know the condition of approaching a stop, do you?
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oh jesus ok so i’m just saying convincing a salty traffic court judge of a violation is easier than a frickin jury trial for someone doing a wheelie or stoppie. Fuck!
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Oh Jesus ok so I’m just saying convincing a salty traffic court judge of a violation is easier than a frickin jury trial for someone doing a wheelie or stoppie. Fuck!
It is sad that a salty traffic court commissioner does not follow the same burden of proof as a jury would (I actually agree that some of them like to play fast and loose with the law) but even if that is the case, I am glad to think that you believe the jury would actually apply the law before convicting someone who would likely be sentenced to a jail upon a conviction.

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Old 02-01-2019, 01:54 PM   #24
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It is sad that a salty traffic court commissioner does not follow the same burden of proof as a jury would (I actually agree that some of them like to play fast and loose with the law) but even if that is the case, I am glad to think that you believe the jury would actually apply the law before convicting someone who would likely be sentenced to a jail upon a conviction.

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Ok counselor. I didn’t say a traffic commissioner would find someone guilty if they weren’t. My point was that a jury trial for something like a straight wheelie or a stoppie is (in my opinion, barring any other circumstances) a waste of resources and time when there are plenty of other infraction CVC sections that would suffice.
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Old 02-01-2019, 09:41 PM   #25
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I have much less faith in a jury to convict someone of a crime even if the evidence is abundant. There are many examples of them being idiots. Much less so with judges.

I also think it'd be a collosal waste of resources for a 23103.

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Old 02-05-2019, 11:47 AM   #26
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I'm going to guess that similar logic applies to wheelies: a couple inches of air under the tire is less likely to be reckless than a couple feet of air under the tire
Uh IDK man, to float a tire at 1-2" i have to be WOT for a considerable bit lol. IDK about california but in nebraska that usually got me something along the lines of excessive acceleration / show of speed / willful reckless.

Unless you mean noobishly dumping the clutch with a few too many RPMs in which case if the LEO does anything you'll likely get a stern talking to and/or an embarrassing chuckle out of it.
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I ride a hyper, I'm gonna get burned bad for this someday. Impossible to ride that bike in a civilized manner.
As a former hyper owner... I feel your pain... 3rd and 4th gear wheelies on the freeways
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