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Old 10-23-2006, 11:05 AM   #31
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If I buy an out of state bike with or without a title, will I need to pay excise tax in order to go through this process?
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Old 02-25-2007, 10:50 AM   #32
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I PNO two vehicles. My Jeep and my Busa.

I only paid the one time fee for planned non-op and each year recieve a statement that says if nothing has changed there is nothing due. I can transport both via trailer, accordign to the local CHP office.

So my question is, why is there even a need to do it any other way?
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Old 02-25-2007, 03:02 PM   #33
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because the non op means that it is supposed to be sitting. California law requires it be permiited/ registered to be used or transported on a public road/ hiway.
You can leave the non op on the street reg and still get the transport permit. This was you can rereg it for street duty any time you want.
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Old 02-25-2007, 06:17 PM   #34
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I only paid the one time fee for planned non-op and each year recieve a statement that says if nothing has changed there is nothing due.
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i have a junker motorbike on PNO; same thing every year; "no changes, no fee to stay PNO"
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Old 02-25-2007, 06:46 PM   #35
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right, and its parked on a "permanent" kinds basis right?
throw it in your truck and if you get stopped and it gets checked, it may lose if PNO status
that why we have to get "moving permits" and transport permits
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Ya, those brake pads get pretty expensive. That's part of what I meant about racing vs. just doing track days. Why waste a perfectly good brake pad if you aren't trying to win a trophy.


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Old 02-25-2007, 06:53 PM   #36
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hmmm, not that I'm arguing with you but the CHP office here in Modesto (Salida actually) told me I could trailer it to the track no problem.
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Old 02-25-2007, 07:35 PM   #37
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hmmm, not that I'm arguing with you but the CHP office here in Modesto (Salida actually) told me I could trailer it to the track no problem.
From what I have read, it is technically not legal to transport a PNO vehicle on a public road, even if it is in the back of a truck or trailer, but I have heard quotes from LEOs that they would never cite anyone for this and that as long as the PNO vehicle isn't being operated on or parked on public roads, they are OK with it.

I sold the bike that I got the transport permit for and currently own two race bikes that are PNOed only. No transport permits. I never drive them or park them on public roads and take them to the track in the back of my pickup. I am not worried about being cited. YMMV.
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Old 04-21-2007, 01:27 PM   #38
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Howdy all. So I just bought Kirk's SV racebike. And while the info here is quite informative, I still have a couple questions that I'm hoping some of you might have an answer for. Here's the deal: The SV is a 2005 model, converted to full race, with a current title. I believe Kirk had it PNO'd, and transport stickered.

So he signed the title over to me, and filled out the release of liability form for himself that he will send in to the DMV - it has my name and address on it.

So given the above, if I do not plan on converting back to a street bike, do I still need to go through Title transfer; and registration? That will end up costing me some bucks that would be nice to avoid (tires, race fees, etc are better use of that money, imho...).

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Old 04-21-2007, 01:41 PM   #39
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So given the above, if I do not plan on converting back to a street bike, do I still need to go through Title transfer; and registration? That will end up costing me some bucks that would be nice to avoid (tires, race fees, etc are better use of that money, imho...).

Thanks for any info.
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yes, you are supposed to do this.
No one will come looking for you if you dont, except for the seller maybe, but it can have other ramifications down the road.

You dont have to register it, just continue the non op, or switch to a "title only" and tell them its a race bike.
The transport permit expired on sale, so get another of those if you wish. They're pretty cheap.
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Old 05-29-2007, 07:27 PM   #40
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Ok, a wierd addition: If I buy a bike that is registered out of state with less than 7500 miles that isn't California emmissions ready, and I get the title only, PNO, and transportation permit? What would the ramifications be if I wanted to back-covert the same bike to a street bike later if I originally brought it into Cali with less than the 7500 miles, even if I later exceeded the 7500 mile threshold?

I'm assuming that sales tax would also be collected at the same time...
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Old 08-07-2007, 09:29 AM   #41
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Something odd I just came across- if you buy a used streetbike and want to turn it into a racebike and non-op it, the registration still being active means you have to have liability insurance on it until the registration is up for renewal........then you can non-op it. They're telling me that you can't non-op a bike when you transfer the title into your name. This seems to be quite unfair, especially because the bike won't be ridden on the street. Yet Sacramento automatically thinks it's going to be ridden on the streets regardless as long as the registration is valid. I'm trying to get to the bottom of this with DMV but that's like trying to piss up a rope.
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Old 08-07-2007, 04:50 PM   #42
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Something odd I just came across- if you buy a used streetbike and want to turn it into a racebike and non-op it, the registration still being active means you have to have liability insurance on it until the registration is up for renewal........then you can non-op it. They're telling me that you can't non-op a bike when you transfer the title into your name. This seems to be quite unfair, especially because the bike won't be ridden on the street. Yet Sacramento automatically thinks it's going to be ridden on the streets regardless as long as the registration is valid. I'm trying to get to the bottom of this with DMV but that's like trying to piss up a rope.
what if you offer to surrender the reg tag?
(not the plate, just the valid sticker)
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Ya, those brake pads get pretty expensive. That's part of what I meant about racing vs. just doing track days. Why waste a perfectly good brake pad if you aren't trying to win a trophy.


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Old 08-07-2007, 05:33 PM   #43
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I went to DMV today and they said I could just blow it off and non-op it when it comes up for renewal.
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Old 11-27-2007, 06:39 PM   #44
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Got two words for ya'll: "enclosed trailer".
+1.1 Enclosed trailer. Unless you're smoking reefer, and your .45 is showing, there won't be a cavity search.
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Old 01-01-2008, 04:27 PM   #45
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New links on the DMV site to the relevant codes:

Vehicle Code 38088


Vehicle Code 38232


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