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Old 05-01-2013, 05:55 AM   #16
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Moto Trials/MTB Crossover

FX Bikes have been rumored for commercial release for a few years, but why bother when alternatives have been in the market for over a decade. (and are much lighter and/or more powerful). Why settled for an FX when:
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Originally Posted by www.fxbikes.com/faq/
Trials motorcycles weigh around the same (minimum 152lb / 69kg dry weight for adult size)
Note: A trials bike as seen in Indoor X-Trials events can easily and economically be modified to weigh under 60 kg. (132 lbs.) but per F.I.M. rules: The minimum weights of the Trial motorcycles, for Outdoor events only, are:
• For 125cc cylinder machines: 65 kg (143.3 lbs.)
• For higher than 125cc cylinder machines: 66 kg (145.5 lbs.). The F.I.M. minimum weight has been raised to 70 kg. (154 lbs.) for 2014.

125cc GP bikes (Honda RS125R) weigh approximately 158 lbs.

In case you are interested in something in the 80 lbs. range:

Scorpa 4-Tricks (79.4 lbs.)


youtu.be/ZNF-7oJIsOY


For the stealth crowd: OSET 20.0 (79 lbs.)


youtu.be/fTQ9YhgrGn4


Yamaha Tricker Pro: It's quite heavy weighing almost 60 lbs. (42% !!!) more than a modern Trials bike.


youtu.be/mZ_Mw-UkzV4


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There's now a offshoot of trials that cadres to the "Redbull" crowd, has been for a while. I'm talking about The urban freestyle guys that go tearing around town like moto-pirates. Seems the BMX crowd just graduated to a new pay grade and trials bikes being the lightest/most nimble of the bunch were the obvious choice for these shenanigans. With the amount of time and money going into Mountain Bikes (started in the 90's with Cannondale&Trek, continues today) and their suspensions. the gap between bicycle and motorcycle narrows every year. Some people will say "you don't ride a mtb as hard as a motorcycle", the gaps and drops modern downhill guys hit I wouldn't consider on a motorcycle even on my bravest of days.
When will we see 3 types of Trials machines?
You have your primary trials machine, and now the long ride variants that bridge the gap between a dirt-bike and trials-bike (Ossa, Montesa, and Scorpa*) But when will they bridge the gap between a MTB and Trials bike? Honda seemed closest before they mothballed the most promising bid yet:
Prototype

Competition model


I assumed that goofy bicycle transmission would get swapped out for an YS* style engine mated to some brilliant Japanese transmission and they'd fill the niche. But the bikes all went away, and I've seen and heard nothing since.
Given this is all pie in the sky right now, but so were aluminum frames, hydraulic clutches, and mono-shocks at one point!
Imagine the possibilities of such a creature...a 60-70lb trials bike?

*Or just save your money and buy an Aprillia climber or early GG!
*YS engine (2s/4s hybrid used in the RC world delivers 30-35% more power than a standard 4s. Uses back side of piston and case like a 2s to supercharge intake, by way of check valve, a plenum. Then it delivers through OHV and runs like a traditional 4s)
M-55 Terminus: (Outrageous price)


youtu.be/F9fuZq6JzIs


To put these 'Illegal' e-Bikes in the context of the current production trials motorcycles; take a look at the weights and MSRPs:

Its hard to build a fast bike that is light weight (read on the high cost of speed). Here we rate the bikes by weight.

Stromer St1 45-lbs $4000
Audi Ebike *50-lbs $20,000
Blactrail Bt-01 *50-lbs $88,000
Optibike 60-lbs $14,500
m55 65-lbs $32,000
HPC Wolverine *70-lbs $8500
Stealth Bomber 120-lbs $11000
FFR Trikes 422 *130-lbs $12,000
Hanebrink Hustler *140-lbs $15,000
E-Rockit (At 270-lbs this is a motorcycle with pedals.) $40,000

Source: http://www.electricbike.com/10-fastest-ebikes/

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2013 Scottish Six Days Trials

May 3-11

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The 2013 Scottish Six Days Trial (SSDT) has once again confirmed itself as the single most important event in the international trials calendar, with this classic competition set in the Scottish Highlands having attracted just under two hundred and seventy riders from twenty-two different countries. Whilst the home nations continue to make up the bulk of the entry, it is the mighty Spanish Armada who are dominant in terms of the foreign contingent, which help to swell the ranks.

Making up just shy of ten percent of the start list, Spanish riders have enjoyed a long and loyal association with the SSDT stretching back several decades. Whilst Great Britain may still be considered the birthplace of the sport of trials, in more recent times it is Spain that has ruled the roost both in terms of quantity and quality of riders on the world stage. However it was not until Jordi Tarres (Beta) conquered the Scottish terrain in 1987 that Spain could boast its first SSDT winner.

Since then only two other Spanish riders have managed to match Tarres' feat, with Amos Bilbao (Montesa) claiming a highly popular win in 2002 before his compatriot Juan Pons (Sherco) then added his name to the famous trophy a year later. Spain's Jordi Pascuet (Jotagas) looked like he might join this elite club when he led last year's event to the halfway stage, but he finally finished in a respectable seventh position and as the highest placed foreign rider.

Aside from the main challengers, one Spanish rider has become synonymous with The Scottish having now ridden it twenty-four times since he made his debut back in 1979. Carlos Casas has become as much a part of the SSDT as the boulders in the burns and has been an outstanding ambassador and advocate of the event over a prolonged period. As always, he only had kind words to say about his beloved Scottish.
"Since I first came here in 1979 I have been a real fan of the SSDT as I love this event so much. I rode eleven times to start with, and then missed some years before returning again in 1990. Since then I have never missed a year and have been lucky enough to finish every time," explained Carlos.

"The Spanish riders see this event as a big adventure and really love to come at least one time in their life to experience this very special trial. I would recommend every Spanish rider, and any rider from any country to come and ride the SSDT. You can learn so much and can have so much fun too. I especially want to tell the young riders that it is something that they cannot miss as it will certainly improve their riding," continued the ex-bank manager.

"I have so many special memories. The best things about the SSDT are the friends I have made over the years, the scenery, the sections and just the incredible organisation. My best results were when I finished thirteenth twice, won the best foreign rider award four times and also won the over 40 class too," said Casas.
"Now I come purely for enjoyment, but it is still the most important week in my year without question," ended Carlos.

Day Zero: http://www.trialscentral.com/user_ph...rial/day_zero/

Day 1: Leanachen http://www.trialscentral.com/user_ph...y_1/leanachen/

Lagnaha http://www.trialscentral.com/user_ph...day_1/lagnaha/

Results: http://www.ssdt.org/downloads/2013/S...%20Results.pdf

The predicted tight battle for top honours at the 2013 Scottish Six Days Trial (SSDT) lived up to expectations on the opening day, with the top seven riders separated by just three marks. Michael Brown (Gas Gas) is the early leader having gone clean on day one, as he bids to record his first SSDT win after finishing as runner-up on four previous occasions. Brown has last year's victor Dougie Lampkin (Gas Gas) for close company. Dougie sits only one mark off the lead as he looks for a record-extending seventh win.

Alexz Wigg (Gas Gas) who won the 2010 SSDT has once again opened his assault with a strong showing, his two-mark loss putting him in third place at this point. Lampkin and Wigg dropped their marks at Coire Mhorair just before the day's lunch stop, as the steep and narrow waterfall with its cascading torrent proved to be one of the toughest sections on a wet opening day.

Sam Connor (Beta) managed to remain feet up through this particular hazard and finished his day also on two marks, both of which he dropped at the initial group of the trial situated on the edge of the Leanachan Forest. Connor is another former SSDT winner, his triumphant ride being back in 2005. Sam's result is perhaps no shock with him currently enjoying a return to form with a recent string of strong results at the national domestic series.

SSDT regulars Dan Thorpe (Gas Gas), James Fry (Sherco) and Guy Kendrew (Beta) currently occupy fifth, sixth and seventh places respectively as they showed their liking for the swollen burns earlier today. Equally Ross Danby (Jotagas) fresh from his two podium finishes at the opening two rounds of the British Championship set himself up for a solid week in the Highlands with an initial four mark loss.

Danby's score was matched by Jonathan Richardson (Ossa) and Richard Sadler (Sherco) who both fought their way through the rising waters to also finish day one on four marks apiece. Local rider Gary MacDonald (Sherco) made a welcome return to the SSDT having missed last year's event, and in doing so keeps the hopes of a Scottish winner alive after having dropped five marks to put himself amongst the main contenders and just outside the intermediate top ten.

One rider with work to do is 2011 winner James Dabill (Beta) who opened his account this year with a loss of eight marks after he experienced machine problems as early as the first section of the day. Dabill changed the carburettor on his factory machine when he arrived back in the Parc Ferme at the close of the day in an attempt to resolve the issue before he looks to mount his fightback tomorrow morning. His plight will not be made any easier as he is set to take to the road very much at the front of the field on the second day and will find a new route and several new sections which are part of this year's Tuesday's schedule.

In the tussle to be the best female rider, Emma Bristow (Sherco) has set out her stall to take this title for a third year in a row by already opening up a healthy advantage over her main rivals. Spanish male rider Francesc Moret (Gas Gas) has taken the early initiative in the newcomer's class, but only has a four mark lead over James Graham (Gas Gas) after day one of six. It is a similar story in the over 40's category with John Shirt (Gas Gas) having stolen a slim lead from Richard Gaskell (Ossa), though with still much to play for over the next testing five days.


Day 2: Loch Arkaig http://www.trialscentral.com/user_ph...2/loch_arkaig/

Trotters Burn http://www.trialscentral.com/user_ph...trotters_burn/

Results: http://www.ssdt.org/downloads/2013/S...%20Results.pdf

Both Alexz Wigg (Gas Gas) and Sam Connor (Beta) went unpenalised today to become joint leaders of the 2013 Scottish Six Days Trial (SSDT) after the first two days of competition. Enjoying the warmer and drier weather Wigg and Connor, who are both previous SSDT winners from 2010 and 2005 respectively, made light work of the new route that incorporated several new and testing sections.

Yesterday's initial leader Michael Brown (Gas Gas) lost three marks today after having gone clean on day one. He now finds himself equal overall and on the same marks as Dougie Lampkin (Gas Gas) who dropped two marks today, one of those being in the last hazard of the day. These two more fancied runners are also joined on three marks by Guy Kendrew (Beta) who followed up his great performance yesterday with another incredible showing as he too stayed clean through today's thirty sections.

Brown was to lose his lead early in the day with a three mark loss coming in the very first group of sections at Annat, but recovered his composure well to ride the rest of the day feet up. The new hazards at Loch Arkaig also took marks with last year's SSDT winner James Dabill (Beta) being amongst those who needed a helping dab on the step-infested waterfall by the loch side.

James Fry (Sherco) produced another solid ride today, his single mark loss putting him on a total of four after two days and in sixth place. Scotland's Gary Macdonald (Sherco) was another rider to go unpenalised today and thanks to his faultless performance now moves into seventh spot and only three marks off the lead. Dan Thorpe (Gas Gas), Ross Danby (Jotagas) and Ian Austermuhle (Beta) are the three riders who currently round out the top ten respectively as they all showed their liking of the kinder weather.

Women's World number two Emma Bristow (Sherco) further extended her advantage in the fight to be the best female rider, her loss of seven marks putting some of her male counterparts to shame and was significantly better than the thirty-five marks incurred by Becky Cook (Beta) who remains her closest challenger.

Spain's Francesc Moret ( Gas Gas) has also began to open up a healthy lead in his aim to be the best newcomer. Moret parted with only five marks on day two to take his total to twelve overall, which puts him sixteen marks clear of Jack Stones (Gas Gas) who currently occupies second spot in this class. The Spanish youngster remains in thirteenth position in the general classification too.

In the battle to be the top rider in the over 40's category, early leader John Shirt (Gas Gas) has fallen to third spot and has been overtaken by both Adam Norris (Beta) and Roger Williams (Beta) who now hold first and second positions respectively. Norris was in superb form losing just a single dab, and was almost matched by Williams who completed today for only two marks.
Tomorrow will mark the midpoint in the 2013 SSDT, and could potentially present the toughest challenge of the week thus far, with the riders faced by a route totalling ninety-one miles.

Day 3: Lower Mamore: http://www.trialscentral.com/user_ph.../lower_mamore/

Loch Eil: http://www.trialscentral.com/user_ph...ay_3/loch_eil/

Results: http://www.ssdt.org/downloads/2013/S...%20Results.pdf

Alexz Wigg (Gas Gas) has now taken the outright lead of the 2013 Scottish Six Days Trial (SSDT) after losing three marks on the third day of competition. The 2010 SSDT winner has close opposition from Dougie Lampkin (Gas Gas) whose dream of a seventh win remains a real possibility as he sits just one mark behind Wigg overall. He too dropped three marks on what was his early day.

Sam Connor (Beta) who had begun the day carrying a yellow leader board along with Wigg, notched up five marks on day three and now trails the leading duo by two and one marks respectively. Local rider Gary Macdonald will be pleased with his day's work having now ridden himself into fifth spot overall thanks to three consistent daily performances thus far.

The best performance of the day was by Dan Thorpe (Gas Gas) with the now SSDT veteran completing today's thirty sections for a mere one dab. This strong showing as the event reaches its midpoint sees Thorpe now join Connor on seven marks overall and within close reach of the outright lead. Wednesday proved to be the toughest of the three days so far and Michael Brown (Gas Gas) was to discover this first hand as he added a hefty ten marks to his tally to see himself slip slightly out of contention for the main prize.

The second group of sections after today's short trip across the ferry was where most of the front-runners suffered their heaviest losses. Jack Challoner (Beta) was the only clean on the most difficult hazard at Inversanda, with Thorpe being the next best with a single dab attempt. Lampkin dropped two here to add to the early mark he lost at Lower Mamore, whilst most of the other main contenders were happy to see the ends cards for hard fought threes.

Brown may live to regret the five marks he lost at Coire Dubh earlier in the day, whilst Connor can perhaps count himself fortunate to have escaped with only a two at Clachaig before he headed across the water.

Guy Kendrew (Gas Gas) continued his incredible week to date and is neatly tucked into sixth place overall with both Jonathan Richardson (Ossa) and James Fry (Sherco) for close company. Only one mark separates this trio in the overall totals, as they dropped eight, four and eight marks respectively today to keep themselves within touching distance of what would be an historic win for any of these three riders for differing reasons.

In the various sub plots Adam Norris (Beta) continues to head the over 40's class, Emma Bristow (Sherco) remains in control of the female category and Francesc Moret (Gas Gas) has clear water between him and his nearest challenger in the battle to be the best newcomer.
It has often been said that the real fight for top honours does not begin until Thursday. With the riders facing the longest day of the week tomorrow, the order at the top of the leader board may look somewhat different in twenty-four hours from now, should day four play out like previou years.

Day 4: Chairlift: http://www.trialscentral.com/user_ph...y_4/chairlift/

Results: http://www.ssdt.org/downloads/2013/S...%20Results.pdf

Thursday lived up to its traditional tough billing as the 2013 Scottish Six Days Trial (SSDT) moved into the second and deciding phase of the competition. Dougie Lampkin (Gas Gas) used the opportunity of the longest day of the trial, and the toughest to date, to move into the lead for the first time this week. His single mark loss today puts him on seven in total, and sees him move ahead of overnight leader Alexz Wigg (Gas Gas) who dropped eight marks on day four.

Things remain tight at the top of the leaderboard with a mere six marks splitting six times winner and last year's victor Lampkin, Sam Connor (Beta), who now sits in second spot having parted with three single dabs today, and third placed Wigg who won the SSDT back in 2010. Connor's day was framed with single dabs in both the first and last hazards, whilst Wigg suffered his first five of the week earlier today.

Scotland's great hope for top honours Gary Macdonald (Sherco) went clean on observation today to climb into fourth place overall despite picking up two time penalties as the one hundred and eighteen mile route took its toll. Macdonald continues to carry the weight of expectation on his shoulders as he bids to become the first home winner since Bob McGregor (Rudge) was victorious back in 1932.

James Dabill (Beta) continued to recover from his poor opening day performance and also managed to remain feet up throughout the day to move up to eighth in the overall results. Macdonald and Dabill were joined by Ben Hemingway (Beta) as he too completed today's thirty sections without loss. In contrast Dan Thorpe (Gas Gas) saw his assault to see his name engraved on the main trophy come Saturday evening, fade slightly as he lost seven marks today, all in the third group at Gorton

Thanks to his two single dabs, one at the first group and one at Lochs Wood just before the lunch stop, Ross Danby (Jotagas) has now elevated himself into sixth spot overall. James Fry (Sherco) and Ian Austermuhle (Beta) currently occupy seventh and ninth positions respectively after four days, with Richard Sadler (Sherco) rounding out the top ten as things stand now. Austermuhle's only marks - three of them - were lost at the pre-lunch group where the loose boulders proved to be real test for all.

It was a sad day for Michael Brown (Gas Gas) as he was forced to retire from the event before his day had even begun. The four times SSDT runner up sustained a freak injury to his knee whilst he was working on his bike in the Parc Ferme this morning and was rushed to the local hospital by ambulance. He was later discharged with his leg heavily bandaged, but was in good spirits.

Adam Norris (Beta) has moved twenty-three marks clear at the head of the over 40's class, and in similar fashion Emma Bristow (Sherco) has stretched her advantage to over one hundred marks in the female division. With Francesc Moret (Gas Gas) having retired from the trial, Robert Waite (Beta) has now taken control of the newcomer category. This situation is mirrored in the race to be best Scottish newcomer with Jack Dignan (Beta) having taken over at the top after previous class leader Alan Forrester (Gas Gas) failed to complete day four.

Friday will see the action shift to the scenic Ardnamurchan Peninsulan. Tomorrow's route which covers just under one hundred miles takes in famous groups such as Pipers Burn, Laudale Cottage and Rhuba Ruadh to set up what should be a thrilling climax to the 2013 SSDT

Day 5: Pipers Burn: http://www.trialscentral.com/user_ph...5/pipers_burn/

Rubha Ruadh: http://www.trialscentral.com/user_ph...5/rubha_ruadh/

Results: http://www.ssdt.org/downloads/2013/S...%20Results.pdf

Heavy rain and strong winds at times failed to knock Dougie Lampkin (Gas Gas) off course as he moved within touching distance of recording a seventh Scottish Six Days Trial (SSDT) win following his performance today. Lampkin parted with only one mark on day five to open up a commanding lead ahead of tomorrow's final showdown as his nearest challengers faltered in the testing conditions. Sam Connor (Beta) will head into day six trailing Lampkin by twelve marks as he dropped ten marks today, that being his heaviest daily loss of the week to date.

Connor will need to rediscover the form that has seen him sit close to or on top of the leaderboard all week if he is to claim the runner-up prize come tomorrow evening, as he now has only a one mark lead over 2011 winner James Dabill (Beta). Dabill's four mark ride was the second best performance of the day and continues a theme that has seen him leapfrog up the order with some purpose since his opening day disaster. However he was far from assured an ideal day as he lost marks as early as the second group.

Alexz Wigg (Gas Gas) and Gary Macdonald (Sherco) both of whom have not enjoyed the best of days now hold fourth and fifth places respectively on twenty-five marks apiece. Wigg added twelve marks to his overall total today as did Macdonald as they fought to find their lines in the swollen burns that rose as the day went on due to the persistent rain overhead. Ross Danby (Jotagas) goes into tomorrow in sixth place and on the same marks as the two riders ahead of him. Cruelly ruled out of last year's event due to a mechanical problem during the latter stages, Danby is on course for his highest ever SSDT finish.

Ian Austermuhle (Beta) confirmed his tag of Mr Consistent as he came home on seven marks to bump himself two places up the overall results and into seventh position with just one day to go. Dan Thorpe (Gas Gas) in contrast had his worst day of the week so far and dropped to eighth place at the end of day five. Richard Sadler (Sherco) and enduro ace Tom Sagar (Montesa) are the two riders who currently close out the top ten, but are only too aware of the close and chasing pack of riders that sit just behind them at this critical point in the competition.

Whilst nothing is ever certain at the SSDT, the various class leaders all hold commanding positions heading into day six and should, barring a disaster, claim their respective awards come tomorrow night. Adam Norris (Beta) is clear favourite to take the top award in the over 40's class, whilst Robert Waite (Beta) is on course to become the best newcomer and Emma Bristow (Sherco) is surely set to claim the best female prize for a third year in a row with a score that is exactly half that of her nearest rival.

Although only fifty-six miles in total, Saturday's route should never be under-estimated when there is so much at stake for so many riders, be they winners or event finishers.

Day 6: School Falls: http://www.trialscentral.com/user_ph.../school_falls/



Results: http://www.ssdt.org/downloads/2013/S...%20Results.pdf

Awards: http://www.ssdt.org/downloads/2013/S...rds%202013.pdf

Trophys: http://www.ssdt.org/downloads/2013/S...%20Listing.pdf

Dougie Lampkin (Gas Gas) continues to rewrite the history books as he rode to an emphatic and record extending seventh win at the Scottish Six Days Trial (SSDT) earlier today. Lampkin went into the sixth and final day of this year's event with a healthy lead over Sam Connor (Beta) and further increased his winning margin as he once again posted the best performance of the day. Dougie now stands head and shoulders above his peers in terms of SSDT victories, his seven wins now clearly surpassing the five achieved by legendary riders Sammy Miller and Mick Andrews.

The 2013 Scottish Six Days Trial came to a close with rain again falling heavily for most of the day as the remaining riders battled their way around a course that turned out to be a harsh final encounter for many of the competitors. The tone was set as early as the opening group at Sleubaich, before two more testing sections at School Falls, whilst the final sting in the event was the two hole-infested hazards at Nevis Forest.
Whilst it was relatively plain sailing for Lampkin, James Dabill (Beta) continued his incredible fightback with yet another strong showing to close out the week. Only just inside the top twenty after day one, Dabill despite having his chain come off in the last group of the trial at Nevis Forest, still managed to do enough to finish this year's SSDT as runner-up to Lampkin. Twelve months ago Dabill lost out by the narrowest of margins, this year there was fifteen marks between him and Dougie come the end.

Local rider Gary Macdonald (Sherco) held his nerve superbly on a tough last day to ride his way on to the podium and thoroughly deserved to do so, having steadily climbed the leaderboard throughout the week. With a loss of eight marks today Ross Danby (Jotagas) also finished off in an impressive fashion to claim fourth spot just one mark behind Macdonald. Joint leader earlier in the week, Connor was to come off the worst in the final day showdown, his score of fifteen on day six putting him down in fifth position overall.

Alexz Wigg (Gas Gas) who headed the field on day three eventually took seventh spot as he failed to maintain his form over the closing three days and was beaten to sixth place by Ian Austermuhle (Beta). Eighth position was taken by Dan Thorpe (Gas Gas) who finished on five marks more than Wigg after six testing days in the saddle. Tom Sagar (Montesa) lost out on a tie-break with Thorpe, but still managed to claim ninth just ahead of Jordi Pascuet (Jotagas). For the second year in a row Pascuet was the highest placed foreign rider in tenth spot.

Emma Bristow (Sherco) completed a hat-trick of best female performances at the SSDT as she totally dominated her class this year and also ranked high in the overall classifications too. After taking the lead from John Shirt (Gas Gas), Adam Norris (Beta) never looked back to walk away with the top prize in the over 40's class. At the other end of the age spectrum Robert Waite (Beta) picked up the best newcomer award, whilst local rider Jack Dignan (Beta) was the highest placed Scottish newcomer.

At the top end of the order, the 2013 Scottish Six Days Trial totally belonged to Lampkin, but as with every edition of this internationally famous event the equally important story was about all those riders who made it to the finish and who return each year to play their part in what is unarguably the greatest motorcycle trial in the world.


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This is my play area. Not only is it small (~20x30ft), but it's plastic turf. Ugh. Good for practicing balance and tight turns.

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Long Distance Trials (LDT) and Trail Bike Trials (TBT)

Ever wonder what your limits are on gnarly single track and rock gardens with a lightweight trail bike? (DR125, KTM200EXC, YZ125, KDX200, etc.)

In the spirit of 'Classic Reliability Trials', here's a chance to improve your riding skills and get exposed to Trail Bike Trials (TBT) and Long Distance Trials (LDT).

Bring your lightweight dirt bike out to PITS events... http://www.sactopits.org/wp/ A rider with average dirt skills on a lightweight dirt bike is more than capable on the Novice and Intermediate lines, but will definitely challenged their bike control. it's an excellent build up for an Erzberg or King of the Motos type event.


youtu.be/jJfMAM4sleQ
youtu.be/9dJu91wUOsA
youtu.be/rIC0xHFjVFw



Threads: http://www.trialscentral.com/forums/...l-bike-trials/

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=524472

One infamous local event is the British-American Cup which has been run 40-years in a row:

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For those of you across the Pond, the PITS BA Cup is noted as probably the hardest Trial on the PITS schedule. It is run on the Scott Trial rules (time + observation points and the loop is part of the difficulty factor) and has attracted some top riders (I rode one year with Vesty when he was in the States and the loop was so difficult about 1/3rd of the riders could not make it to the first section. It rained the night before and the muddy hill was near impossible, I fought it 3 times to finish and it almost killed me). Yjro, of course, set "standard time" and he's a rocket on the loop, I tried to keep up with him but only for a short time after seeing my life pass before my eyes several times....

The "British" in the BA Cup is Derek Belvoir and the "American" is Lane Leavitt, both got together and started the event because they like to see other riders suffer..... Actually we all looked forward to the event as it was a true test of ability and like the Ute Cup in Colorado, it was an accomplishment just to finish.

Jon
From the Association of Classic Trials Clubs (ACTC): http://www.actc.org.uk/how/SB%20ACTC%201.pdf

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A guide to taking up long distance motorcycle trials

What is an observed motorcycle long distance trial?
Since 19th November 1901, without a break save for two world wars, the Motorcycling Club has been running popular well supported long distance trials catering for standard road vehicles including cars, sidecar outfits and solo motorcycles. The MCC was formed when in response to a press advertisement 30 enthusiastic motorcyclists attended a meeting held at Frascati’s Restaurant in London. Three years later, in 1904, came the Motorcycle Cycle London to Edinburgh Ride – the first of three long distance events that were to become the MCC’s classic trials and which continue to this day.

The three MCC trials form part of the Association of Classic Trials Club’s annual programme of some fifteen or so Championship events. The ACTC exists to promote the world of classic long distance motorcycle and car trials and through its member clubs organises events in the West Country, Cumbria and the Peak District.

ACTC events provide the opportunity to sample classic reliability trials with good company in some stunningly beautiful parts of the country. Each trial is usually routed over between 60 and 100 miles, although the three MCC events are overnight and the distances are up to 350 miles. There are usually around 12 to 14 sections included in each trial, normally located on non metalled rights of way. Some sections are no more difficult than you would encounter on your average trail ride. Others may be more challenging. Some events i.e. MCC Trials, are as suitable for the larger machines as well as the smaller trail bikes as a lot of the route may be on A or B roads and the occasional piece of motorway. The other ACTC events being mainly more suitable to the smaller capacity bikes. Classes include British made, pre 65 machines and Sidecar outfits. Machine preparation is based upon reliability rather than sheer speed or horsepower.

In classic long distance trials, marks are lost for ‘footing’ or ‘stopping’ during sections. All sections are ‘observed’ by marshals, who look for penalties incurred by riders and complete scorecards for each competitor. In each event a number of sections will include ‘Restarts’. These are boxes or lines where the competitor is required to stop and execute a hill start. Most trials also incorporate a ‘special test’, which is a timed section starting on line A and stopping on line B.

Which motorcycle can I use?
Any road legal motorcycle can be used in long distance trials. However some are more suitable than others. The most commonly used and suitable for a newcomer are lightweight Trail bikes, particularly if fitted with 21 inch front and 18 inch rear wheels. the most popular being 200 Beta Alps, Yamaha 200 Serrows and XT250’s and Honda XR250’s. Though big trail bikes such as Honda’s 750 Africa Twin and BMW twins are also used on some events.

ACTC Trials (With very few exceptions for some pre 65 machines). require that lights are fitted and working. The motorcycle must have a current MOT certificate and be taxed for road use.

Preparing the motorcycle.Tyres are the most important consideration here. The ACTC and MCC publish rules on the type of tyres that are permitted in long distance trials and it is vital to observe these rules as scrutineers will not allow non permitted tyres. Please read the tyre regulations. A good choice would to use Pirelli MT43’s front and rear and run pressures at normal trail riding rates – 14 psi front and rear. Note. Tyres of off road type used in single site venues are not permitted even if they are of similar patten, as apart from not being road legal they may break up when used on the road. Also not permitted are enduro or motocross tyres even if road legal. Security bolts are normally fitted to rear and occasionally front tyres.

What to take in the way of tools and spares. Tools of suitable quality and of the type that you know can be used…. A good quality LED torch and Headtorch are always worth taking, with spare batteries. spare sparkplugs and bulbs. Puncture repair kit, tyre pump, spare inner tube and tyre levers if you really are proficient and confident that you can change a tube by the side of the road. [A spare front tube will fit the rear tyre in an emergency – but a rear tube will not fit a front tyre.]

Other spares may also be carried, like split links for the chains. However only take what spares you know you are likely to use and can actually fit, using the tools you have with you.

Clothing
Long distance trials are usually held at the risk of pretty inclement weather, so best dress for road riding. Some competitors use electrically heated Waistcoats or Jackets for the MCC events. Of which the night sections may require extra layers. The shorter events may require less layers. Helmets may be of open or full face. Some competitors carry a pair of lightweight gloves for the sections. Boots designed for trials and water proofed or with waterproof liners. Gortex kit is well worth using.

Paperwork
To compete in long distance trials there are various formalities that have to be completed. The first of these is to join a member club – there is a list of ACTC member clubs elsewhere on this web site. To compete in MCC events, competitors must be members of the MCC. An ACU trials license is also required. Click here for the ACU web site.

If you wish to compete in the ACTC motorcycle championships, then you will need to be a member of the ACTC.

The final item of administration is event insurance. If your existing motorcycle insurance does not provide cover for competitive events, most organising clubs can arrange blanket cover per event. The event entry form will include this provision at a small additional premium.

Entries
ACTC members automatically receive entry forms for ACTC championship events 2-4 weeks prior to events. The entry form gives important information on classes and closing dates and, because some events are particularly popular, it pays to return your entry as early as possible. Approximately 10 days before the event, you will be sent a programme, final instructions and route card on A4 paper. Or e-mail. Many competitors altering the route card to suit the size of their route card holder. (Normally A5 ) and it is also possible to increase the font size so they are easily readable. Some competitors laminate the cards and wrap them round the handlebar crossbrace. Most use purpose made Route card holders which are available from Acrebis or Touratech. The later come with lighting units and electric winders if required.

On the day of the trial
Read the final instructions carefully before you leave. These instructions will give you important information on venue location, parking, petrol availability, signing on, scrutineering and start times. It is generally advisable to arrive at least 45 minutes before your scheduled start time to allow sufficient time for signing on and scrutineering.

Upon arrival, follow the instructions. Usually you should present your bike for scrutineering before signing on. Scrutineering may check the safety and the eligibility of the machine. Checking that handlebar levers have ball ends, tyres are within the permitted type, lights [if fitted] are working, as is the horn and that there are no spokes loose or other obvious and potentially dangerous defects. You will then be given your competitor numbers upon signing on. These should be taped front and rear to your bike. (Not your clothing or Helmet). in such a position that they can be clearly read by observers.

Stephen Bailey.

ACTC Motorcycle Championship Coordinator
ste.bailey@o2.co.uk

May 2009.

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Trial
Holes: 0 Classified pilots: 10 Best lap time 0
Round distance: 0 Accidents: 0 Track condition: Not Communicated
CL Dossard Pilote Country Manufacturer Time Delay Score
1 BOU TONI MONTESA 6 - 20
2 CABESTANY ALBERT SHERCO 7 15
3 FAJARDO JERONI BETA 18 12
4 DABILL JAMES BETA 32 9
5 FERRER ALEXANDRE SHERCO 16 6
6 FUJINAMI TAKAHISA MONTESA 17 5
7 RAGA ADAM GAS GAS 13 4
8 BROWN MICHAEL GAS GAS 14 3
9 CHALLONER JACK BETA 18 2
10 GRATTAROLA MATTEO GAS GAS 18 1


Round 2: Barcelona


youtu.be/NFLKTBhtisY

Trial
Holes: 0 Classified pilots: 0 Best lap time 0
Round distance: 0 Accidents: 0 Track condition:
CL Dossard Pilote Country Manufacturer Time Delay Score
1 BOU TONI MONTESA 7 - 20
2 RAGA ADAM GAS GAS 21 15
3 FUJINAMI TAKAHISA MONTESA 23 12
4 FAJARDO JERONI BETA 28 9
5 CABESTANY ALBERT SHERCO 11 6
6 CHALLONER JACK BETA 17 5
7 FERRER ALEXANDRE SHERCO 25 4
8 GRATTAROLA MATTEO GAS GAS 25 3


Round 3: Malaga


youtu.be/v2HXsBcigpo

Trial
Holes: 0 Classified pilots: 0 Best lap time 0
Round distance: 0 Accidents: 0 Track condition:
CL Dossard Pilote Country Manufacturer Time Delay Score
1 BOU TONI MONTESA 8 - 20
2 CABESTANY ALBERT SHERCO 29 15
3 FUJINAMI TAKAHISA MONTESA 29 12
4 RAGA ADAM GAS GAS 34 9
5 FAJARDO JERONI BETA 19 6
6 GRATTAROLA MATTEO GAS GAS 21 5
7 MORET FRANCESC GAS GAS 21 4
8 BORRELLAS PERE GAS GAS 21 3
9 CHALLONER JACK BETA 25 2
10 FERRER ALEXANDRE SHERCO 25 1


Round 4: Bielefeld


youtu.be/9Crl8P-YFfA

Trial
Holes: 0 Classified pilots: 0 Best lap time 0
Round distance: 0 Accidents: 0 Track condition:
CL Dossard Pilote Country Manufacturer Time Delay Score
1 BOU TONI MONTESA 1 - 20
2 RAGA ADAM GAS GAS 13 15
3 FAJARDO JERONI BETA 15 12
4 DABILL JAMES BETA 25 9
5 CABESTANY ALBERT SHERCO 12 6
6 FUJINAMI TAKAHISA MONTESA 16 5
7 GRATTAROLA MATTEO GAS GAS 11 4
8 FERRER ALEXANDRE SHERCO 11 3
9 CHALLONER JACK BETA 23 2


Round 5: Nice


youtu.be/fgmjqUEiTTk

Trial
Holes: 0 Classified pilots: 0 Best lap time 0
Round distance: 0 Accidents: 0 Track condition:
CL Dossard Pilote Country Manufacturer Time Delay Score
1 BOU TONI MONTESA 5 - 20
2 RAGA ADAM GAS GAS 6 15
3 FAJARDO JERONI BETA 17 12
4 CABESTANY ALBERT SHERCO 19 9
5 GRATTAROLA MATTEO GAS GAS 8 6
6 FUJINAMI TAKAHISA MONDIAL PIEGA 12 5
7 CHALLONER JACK BETA 12 4
8 FERRER ALEXANDRE SHERCO 15 3

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FrameGreeves own Aluminium frame,all CNC' d out of solid billet including head stock which is typical Greeves
EngineThe 280cc engine is our own design and manufactured from solid billet on a CNC machine.The head and barrel are cast with Nicosil lining and machined locally.
Head The head is bolted to the barrel around the outside so the water jacket inside is free from head studs. Therefore the piston and barrel can expand equally without interruption preventing the barrel 'nipping up' when hot
Con RodThe con rod is coppered oval enabling gasses to flow through the engine without hindrance.
ForksThe forks are Marzochi light weight aluminium with Black Teflon coating.
ClutchClutch from Surflex especially made for Greeves with a CNC'd clutch basket from solid billet.
WheelsTallon hubs manufactured from billet on DID rims front and rear. Tallon sprockets.
ShockOhlin's specially manufactured shock with 42mm of travel to give 175mm of lift at the rear wheel.
CarburettorCarburettor is a 28mm Dellorto flat side.
PistonsPistons from Wiseco.
IgnitionLeonelli ignition twin mapping .
Levers & BrakesLevers and brakes from Grimeca.
ChainRegina chain.
TyresDunlop tyres.
ExhaustRaptor Titanium foot rest and exhaust system. Titanium front pipe - Aluminium Silencer.
Petrol TankThe petrol tank is located under the seat over the foot rest therefore the centre of gravity is lower and moved back to give better traction.
Capacity280cc
TransmissionGear primary drive and chain final drive. Five speed gearbox with trials ratios
CrankshaftGreeves specification, CNC'd in the UK

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I got some practice in at Metcalf this morning. I met, Mark who was also riding. It was getting pretty hot out there. The more I learn the more I stink at this. It was fun this morning. I rode over my first couple of obstacles. Got stuck once and dropped my bike twice. Good times. Now I'm beat and loaded up on Advil. I wish I had thought to take a picture.
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This is my play area. Not only is it small (~20x30ft), but it's plastic turf. Ugh. Good for practicing balance and tight turns.

H - Put a spool in the middle or a plastic drum and a few wooden pallets and you are all set. You get to ride at home anytime you like without having to load up the Sherco - So jealous!



or just set up a lot of tight turns:



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I've been keeping an eye on craigslist for a spool, haven't seen any yet. Debating on using pallets or just some scrap wood to make something too...

youtu.be/ee5ZRl5CUok


Pallets are easy to find and to stack up to different heights. Look around the back of any strip mall or warehouse. Spools: look at utility yards (PG&E ?). A lot of wood logs offered in the CL Free section. Another option is truck tires filled with dirt.



We sometimes ride indoors in garages and warehouses. Here's an idea:
youtu.be/yVmnwvW39fU There were warehouse areas in Alameda and Oakland that the locals use to ride urban trials.

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I got some practice in at Metcalf this morning. I met, Mark who was also riding. It was getting pretty hot out there. The more I learn the more I stink at this. It was fun this morning. I rode over my first couple of obstacles. Got stuck once and dropped my bike twice. Good times. Now I'm beat and loaded up on Advil. I wish I had thought to take a picture.
I figure both you and Mark would exercise your Green Sticker privileges. Both your Sherco ST2.0 and his GasGas TXT Pro 250 ECO are quite rare with the Green Stickers.

Tip to keep weight to the rear: If you keep your head up, arch your back (arch to shift weight back, round your back to shift weight forward), and bend deep at the knees when pre-loading your front fork you shift your weight backward and the front can be lofted on the fork rebound without throttle or 'dumping' the clutch. We're using a 'Mod' trials bicycle to train ourselves on shifting weight to the rear. You already have the one-wheel advantage with your unicycle seat time.

One of the most gratifying things about Trials: regardless of your skill level there will always be a new personal challenge:


youtu.be/zUuKUMkKrKU


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The pros make it look so very easy. I appreciate this thread....I am learning quite a bit w/o even having ridden a trials bike....YET!
All the described techniques apply to both dirt bikes and general riding. These techniques are designed to efficiently traverse obstacles and better control the motorcycle. Unfortunately most riders never learn nor apply these basic techniques. As a consequence riders expend too much physical energy when using inefficient methods to execute a maneuver.

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I'd like my kids to learn, but no bux, or small bikes. All I got is my ZRX1200 & that's way too big of course for a noob's 1st ride. What to do?
@ EastBayDave - when my kids became old enough to ride, I realized that I couldn't involve them with my street riding; so I sold my street bikes, traded in for dirt bikes, and now every riding opportunity is shared time with my kids. Choosing a riding activity that allows me to spend time with my kids is more important than riding alone or with the group rides.

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Sooo long story short what can I do to help my son become a safe and better rider? Drills, things to say in a way he'll understand, etc... Any and all help is appreciated. I might add I have limited knowledge in dirt riding for I've mostly rode street and have rode dirt a handful of times.
Give your kids every opportunity for seat time!

Start your kids with the right foundation, consider trials.... CRF50 models are way too heavy for the l'il ones. Start them on a Strider till they reach 5 y/o, then an Oset 16.0 or Kuberg Trials-E, then move them up to a proper trials bike when they're 12. You can be assured your child will probably out ride you if you follow this path and not follow the conventional route; and he will probably thank you when he outrides all his friends in the dirt.


youtu.be/LL16YYrihJs
youtu.be/uuy5hfQAzSY


Explore the Oset electric bike, the Kuberg, or the GasGas TXT-e . I don't recommend the 50cc Trials bikes for a beginner... very intimidating compared to CRF50/PW50/JR50.

The best thing about trials: tons of seat time in your backyard. and with the Oset, no noise. My kids can ride almost every day, and I don't need to load up for Carnegie, Hollister, etc. Being able to ride anytime anyday makes a huge difference in riding skills development and enjoying the sport.

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Welcome to the world of OSET ownership. My three kids have each started trials on OSETs, and I am convinced they are the best thing to happen to off-road motorcycling since suspension.

As you noted, though, the tech knowledge is quite dispersed right now. Our club has a number of dads who have fiddled with the bikes, trying alternative batteries and controllers, as well as adding more robust running gear.

There is some depth in Trials Central, at http://www.trialscentral.com/forums/...-trials-bikes/ for your perusal if you haven't done so.
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Folks -

After lots of looking and poking around and selling my DR to finance this and other farkling projects, our (I say "our", but it's really my 5 year old's bike) 16" 36V Oset finally arrived. Kevin Templeton at Carson Motorsports/KTM in Carson City, NV gave me a great deal on a new 2011 bike. My little dude (and I) are psyched.

This is the Strider of motorcycles... total game changer I think. Incidentally I had no idea that Osets even existed until the KTM rally this fall here in Bend. I had the opportunity to talk to Jimmy Lewis and was bemoaning the lack of good bikes for my little dude. Jimmy recommended Oset!



The ability to jump on and ride around the yard and/or neighborhood while actually learning useful bike handling skills and not pissing anybody off is just priceless. It's an even bigger advantage here in Oregon where kids can't ride on public lands until they're 7 years old. Maybe the Oset is what will finally allow America to turn out some Grahame Jarvis' of our own I just hope I didn't make a mistake getting the 36V bike instead of the 24... this thing rips...

Oset in the box... very simple assembly. Essentially just the handlebars and front wheel.



Waiting for the first 12 hour charge (they say 12 hrs for the first three charges...) was painful.



Later that night I tested the factory speed setting and turned the potentiometer up about 1/2 turn. The bike almost ripped out of my hands and launched across the garage. Lesson learned... 1/2 turn is a LOT. :eek1

First ride was this morning... outdoor temp about 24 degrees F. He sat on the bike and we talked and worked through some throttle and brake movements. Kicked up the kick stand, turned it on, etc. Talked about how to start out and that I had the speed turned way down. Oset recommends that noobs paddle along and work through some drills before standing up, etc. All good info... I think.... My guy is about 5.5 years old and is a pretty good rider after starting on a Strider at about 20 months. At any rate he fired it up in the yard, stood up, and then immediately rode it off the curb and headed down the street with me jogging along. Very cool!

2nd ride was over lunch. Turned up the speed a bit and he got pretty comfortable with the bike. Some more lessons learned about turning off the key before trying to get off the bike...



Curb "jump" video. He's getting better at keeping the front wheel up.


From another post: http://bayarearidersforum.com/forums...9&postcount=20

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Damn you for posting this! Now I have to buy one for my son and have my wife yell at me for it.
Here's the quick justification:

1. It's all about quality time spent together as a family.
2. Your child will learn better motorcycle control and become a safer rider.
3. It's cheaper, safer, and easier to handle than a CRF50!
4. No noise, he can ride in the backyard anytime (or indoors).
5. Saves on gas $ and loading up for the trips to Hollister/Carnegie/Metcalf, etc.


youtu.be/Kbr0xkvU0rE


List of local dealers if you're trying to source an Oset: http://osetbikes.com/us/us-dealers/ or a Kuberg: http://www.kuberg.com/Dealers.aspx .

Chad and Karsten at Adventure Designs in Hayward have the Oset's.

The GasGas is available from Adrian & Mandyy at LewisportUSA: http://www.lewisportusa.com/

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Main
Holes: 0 Classified pilots: 0 Best lap time 0
Round distance: 19 Accidents: 0 Track condition: Not Communicated
CL Dossard Pilote Country Manufacturer Time Delay Score
1 1 BOU TONI MONTESA 25 - 20
2 2 RAGA ADAM GAS GAS 45 17
3 4 CABESTANY ALBERT SHERCO 63 15
4 5 FUJINAMI TAKAHISA MONTESA 69 13
5 3 FAJARDO JERONI BETA 74 11
6 6 DABILL JAMES BETA 77 10
7 19 OGAWA TOMOYUKI HONDA 90 9
8 9 BROWN MICHAEL GAS GAS 95 8
9 18 KUROYAMA KENICHI YAMAHA 106 7
10 7 CHALLONER JACK BETA 115 6
11 20 NOZAKI FUMITAKA YAMAHA 131 5
12 16 FERRER ALEXANDRE SHERCO 137 4
13 10 GRATTAROLA MATTEO GAS GAS 144 3
14 24 NOMOTO YOSHIAKI BETA 152 2
15 8 OLIVERAS DANIEL OSSA 154 1
16 21 OGAWA TSUYOSHI BETA 157 0
17 22 SHIBATA AKIRA HONDA 161 0
18 13 BORRELLAS PERE GAS GAS 166 0
19 23 SAITO AKIO HONDA 174 0


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While down at Universal Hollywood noticed this, is it a Montessa in disguise ?

Not your everyday Honda





Too bad American Honda won't permit HM (Honda-Montesa) to import to the USA.


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