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Old 12-09-2018, 11:25 AM   #31
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"Huawei said she faces unspecified charges"

I thought when you arrested someone, the authorities had to say what they were being arrested for. Seems like a human rights violation.
unspecified does not mean "without charges"

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Old 12-09-2018, 07:39 PM   #32
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It would be the international finance equivalent of Jeff Bezos deciding he didn't want to own Amazon shares any more.
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Old 12-09-2018, 08:22 PM   #33
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How are they subject to obeying those sanctions? Did they sign them?
Did you sign on the dotted line that you accepted all the laws of this country, when you were born? The US federal government is a sovereign entity and ultimately has the power to enact any law it so wishes.
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Old 12-09-2018, 08:39 PM   #34
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She and her company are not being charged with violating Iran sanctions, although the U.S. would love to charge everyone that doesn't agree with our policies. She is being charged with FRAUD for lying to U.S. companies that her company was not doing business in Iran. And THOSE U.S.companies could be charged with violating the sanctions.

This reminds me of Willie Clinton and how people didn't understand the charges against him. He was not charged with adultery or having sex in the Oval Office. He was charged with PERJURY, because he lied about being adulterous.
I believe you're right, but I'm not really sure how meaningful the distinction is, in this instance. Everyone knows the federal government brings the hammer down on anyone who tries to evade the sanctions on Iran. The only thing saving her bacon before was the sensitivity of our relationship with China. I'm sure a large number of the Chinese elite are quite nervous about visiting any western country, right now.
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Old 12-09-2018, 10:40 PM   #35
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So misinformed, China basically backed USA economy after 08and helped pave the road it is today.

USA needs China not the other way around.

If China sold all of their USA bonds today we would be crippled they got like over 3 fukn trillion bro
China needs to keep buying those bonds to keep their currency low. If their currency goes up to much they’ll lose cost advantage.
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Old 12-09-2018, 10:49 PM   #36
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unspecified does not mean "without charges"

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"Meng was granted a publication ban after a judge agreed to bar both police and prosecutors from releasing information about the case."
Being detained seems wrong and I know I'm not the only American that things that. What if they put the first lady in jail for "unspecified charges".
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Old 12-10-2018, 08:58 AM   #37
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Being detained seems wrong and I know I'm not the only American that things that. What if they put the first lady in jail for "unspecified charges".
Unspecified to the public. Not to the arrested party. Not sure where you are getting that she is being held without charges.
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Old 12-10-2018, 10:44 AM   #38
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Did you sign on the dotted line that you accepted all the laws of this country, when you were born? The US federal government is a sovereign entity and ultimately has the power to enact any law it so wishes.
Does she have US citizenship? No. I fail to see why a non-citizen needs to obey US sanctions.

The correct course of action, instead of arresting a foreign national, would be to shut down HuaWei's US operations or bank accounts.
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Old 12-10-2018, 01:49 PM   #39
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Does she have US citizenship? No. I fail to see why a non-citizen needs to obey US sanctions.

The correct course of action, instead of arresting a foreign national, would be to shut down HuaWei's US operations or bank accounts.
I don't think so.

If she doesn't have US citizenship and breaks USA sanctions, then she shouldn't have the privilege of traveling to places that are allied to the USA, as she has found out the hard way.

Happens all the time with criminals, mafia, etc. They get bagged and extradited in a friendly country. Don't see how this is any different.
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I'm curious, would a US CEO be jailed for something like this? Seems like it's more normal for a fat fine to be levied against the corporation.
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Kinda fucked up that one nation can decide two other nations can't trade with each other and arrest a foreign citizen for doing just that.
If the US decides to send arms to Iran to fund some rebel fighters in Nicaragua they sure as shit aren't going to ask for China's permission.
Not fucked up at all. Any nation is free to trade with any nation, as long as they don't use our banking system to do it. She's not in trouble for trading with Iran; she's (potentially) in trouble for making fraudulent representations to U.S. banks in order to execute those transactions. The U.S. doesn't dictate who can trade with who, only what trading can be done on the U.S. financial system.
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Being detained seems wrong and I know I'm not the only American that things that. What if they put the first lady in jail for "unspecified charges".
She requested the charges not be disclosed prior to her bail hearing, which is her right. It wasn't Canada or the U.S. withholding disclosure. And the charges were already common knowledge as the allegations have been out there for a while.

She was arrested on a valid arrest warrant and just because she's Chinese or a senior executive doesn't mean she should be treated any differently. The allegations against her are serious felonies. Do you think Ghosn's arrest in Japan was wrong?

Everyone should just let the court proceedings play out. That said, if Trump intervenes in any way, shape or form to protect her, his chance of reelection will go from slim to none. The best thing that could come of out of this would be for her to be indicted, take a plea with no jail time, and for Huawei products to be banned from import into the U.S.

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i read her hubby offered $11 mill. in bail money ... i wish i had that kinda money lying around just in case i get into trouble

the judge adjourned the case til Tue. we shall see what happens next
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Old 12-10-2018, 04:41 PM   #44
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The best thing that could come of out of this would be for her to be indicted, take a plea with no jail time, and for Huawei products to be banned from import into the U.S.
Why? Microsoft and google, et al, have been sued in other countries by governments and once they pay and mend their ways, they go on trading. I understand that HuaWei may have backdoors in some products, but I am not convinced others don't have backdoors, also. What other reason would there be, except to show how tough we are with our trade policies? They are not accused of espionage or theft or anything. I am conflicted because of U.S. hypocrisies and minor financial concerns and my Nationalism.
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Does she have US citizenship? No. I fail to see why a non-citizen needs to obey US sanctions.

The correct course of action, instead of arresting a foreign national, would be to shut down HuaWei's US operations or bank accounts.

She needs to not fraudulently use the US financial system to evade sanctions because... we said so. That's how sovereignty works. Mess with the biggest kid on the block, get slugged.
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