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Old 01-14-2019, 09:24 PM   #31
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The GSX-R750s are not too far off from the F4is. I've had both so speaking from 1st hand experience. This is assuming you want to have a sportbike with 4cycl, reliable, low maintenance, reasonable..
Get em while you can... Suzuki pulled the plug on the 600 & 750GSXRs. Too bad, the 750 filled a nice niche.
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Old 01-14-2019, 09:48 PM   #32
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Actual wet weight of the F4i is 430 pounds. My first-generation FZ-1 was 520 pounds. You can believe what some Internet rando typed into Wikipedia if you want, but that doesn't change the facts: the FZ-1 is quite a bit heavier than the F4i... and you feel every pound of the difference.
OK. MotorcycleSpecs out of New Zealand has the later F4i at 425.5.

My Gen 2 FZ-1 is well under 520. The 485 wet number comes from the FZ-1 shop manual. Taking 20 pounds off that is easy.

Whatever... As I recall the OP is a "big dude" about 210, wants good suspension, and wants two up.

Regarding the two up part, I agree with moto-rama. An FJR1300 is way way way better than an FZ-1 or a VFR for two up. I've had 3 VFRs and 2 FJRs so I do know the difference. I'm also as fast *on the street* given typical street and sight line limitations, with an FJR as I am on a VFR. The little bit lost at corner entry is made up in about 2 seconds once past apex Plus the stock FJR suspension is quite good.

The 1000 Ninja or the new Tracer 900GT may be good compromise bikes as well. Lighter than an FJR for sure, but probably not as good 2 up. For me, two up on an F4i ... unthinkable.
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Get em while you can... Suzuki pulled the plug on the 600 & 750GSXRs. Too bad, the 750 filled a nice niche.
Almost feel like buying a leftover 750 and putting it away in a barn. Well if I owned a barn.
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Old 01-15-2019, 06:09 AM   #34
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Almost feel like buying a leftover 750 and putting it away in a barn. Well if I owned a barn.
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Old 01-15-2019, 10:12 AM   #35
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OK. MotorcycleSpecs out of New Zealand has the later F4i at 425.5.

My Gen 2 FZ-1 is well under 520. The 485 wet number comes from the FZ-1 shop manual. Taking 20 pounds off that is easy.

Whatever... As I recall the OP is a "big dude" about 210, wants good suspension, and wants two up.

Regarding the two up part, I agree with moto-rama. An FJR1300 is way way way better than an FZ-1 or a VFR for two up. I've had 3 VFRs and 2 FJRs so I do know the difference. I'm also as fast *on the street* given typical street and sight line limitations, with an FJR as I am on a VFR. The little bit lost at corner entry is made up in about 2 seconds once past apex Plus the stock FJR suspension is quite good.

The 1000 Ninja or the new Tracer 900GT may be good compromise bikes as well. Lighter than an FJR for sure, but probably not as good 2 up. For me, two up on an F4i ... unthinkable.
Seeing as how OP has experience going on 2-3 hour rides 2-up on an F4i, and says he wants something comparable to that, why are you guys suggesting a touring bike that's 200 lbs heavier? No surprise it's going to better at 2-up, but OP is asking for equivalent, not better!
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Seeing as how OP has experience going on 2-3 hour rides 2-up on an F4i, and says he wants something comparable to that, why are you guys suggesting a touring bike that's 200 lbs heavier? No surprise it's going to better at 2-up, but OP is asking for equivalent, not better!
yeah, I imagine he's willing to go a little bigger but asking for an F4i replacement and getting FJR is just silly

even my FJ09 suggestion was pushing it, and that's WAY lighter than an FJR
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Seeing as how OP has experience going on 2-3 hour rides 2-up on an F4i, and says he wants something comparable to that, why are you guys suggesting a touring bike that's 200 lbs heavier? No surprise it's going to better at 2-up, but OP is asking for equivalent, not better!
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yeah, I imagine he's willing to go a little bigger but asking for an F4i replacement and getting FJR is just silly

even my FJ09 suggestion was pushing it, and that's WAY lighter than an FJR
Fair points.

I could never personally find an acceptable compromise for solo fun and two up comfort, so I wound up with two street bikes...
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Old 01-16-2019, 11:15 AM   #38
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....For me, two up on an F4i ... unthinkable.
Unless of course the pillion rider is 4'6" and 68lbs. Perfect fit.
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yeah, I imagine he's willing to go a little bigger but asking for an F4i replacement and getting FJR is just silly

even my FJ09 suggestion was pushing it, and that's WAY lighter than an FJR
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I still donít get the F4i love (other than perhaps reliability?) I rode one a few times and wasnít impressed. I vividly remember twisting the throttle to cross a street and found the acceleration was about Ĺ of what I expected. The F4i low rpm response was anemic comparing to a SV650 or a DRZ400sm. Even twisting the throttle past 10k rpm it didnít feel like there was much meat from the engine. Handling? Nope. I found the handling sharp on the í05 ZX-10R I had back then, like I expected from a sportbike, but felt the F4iís handling was unresponsive in comparison.

For an I4, Iíd get a literbike, otherwise a 650 or bigger twin would be better for street riding.
It was a great all around bike, not great in any specific category but whether you wanted to commute on it, take it to the track, ride twisties or go on a long ride, it was going to be more than adequate to the task. It was also very reliable.

My R1 was terrible for long rides, even with enormous wrist strength from years of rock climbing, a 2+ hour ride on it had my wrists feeling fatigued.
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It was a great all around bike, not great in any specific category but whether you wanted to commute on it, take it to the track, ride twisties or go on a long ride, it was going to be more than adequate to the task. It was also very reliable.

My R1 was terrible for long rides, even with enormous wrist strength from years of rock climbing, a 2+ hour ride on it had my wrists feeling fatigued.
That's exactly how I felt about my 6th gen VFR800 (other than the reliability thing. Screwy Honda stators and R/Rs).

<--- sometimes even managed to combine the 2-up with track...
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Old 01-16-2019, 12:23 PM   #42
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I understand the argument for a smaller bike, but at over 200 lbs and then adding a passenger, OP may want to look at the bigger bikes. My bike works superb in both twisty solo riding and also long and twisty 2-up. The Big Gal just don't care. And , with 1 inch bar risers , it's very comfortable.
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They are getting pretty old, but the v-twin Aprilia RSV is surprisingly comfortable two-up.
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MT-09 Tracer (preferably GT) or find a leftover 2017 FJ-09 at a steal

I have a 2015 and don't miss my CBRs much TBH

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They are getting pretty old, but the v-twin Aprilia RSV is surprisingly comfortable two-up.
At that point might as well get an F4i.
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