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Old 09-07-2021, 01:59 PM   #31
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Brought to us by the same folks that have sold out PT. Reyes National Seashore and who implemented the slow slaughter by starvation and dehydration of the Tule Elk. I swear I want to stop eating beef and dairy.
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Old 09-07-2021, 02:42 PM   #32
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And furthermore, those same representatives are the ones touting immediate behavior mods to combat climate change but cattle and single crop ag are exempt!!!

Ooooooo I get so angry at the hypocrisy!
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Old 09-07-2021, 07:49 PM   #33
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Well that's incredibly disappointing. No mention of who will be administering the new Park. State, East Bay Parks... Doubtless the 18 million will evaporate and we will see nothing new for OHV recreation in the Bay Area. That was a lot of work by a lot of people and a special interest group with connections overturns all. Id sure like more info on how all that General Plan work was illegal. Seems hard to believe that so much money and professional effort would make mistakes like that. I wonder if the judge was picked that would agree to change the rules of the game in the 4th quarter. Thanks for all the work Butch, ThumperX, et al keeping the community appraised of what do do and what was going on.
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Old 09-07-2021, 08:31 PM   #34
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Old 09-09-2021, 12:01 PM   #35
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Well that's incredibly disappointing. No mention of who will be administering the new Park. State, East Bay Parks... .
State Parks. That means LESS environmental protection than under the OHV program. Ironic, isn't it?

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Old 09-11-2021, 06:35 PM   #37
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It looks like the final use of the land is not determined, other than "no OHV".

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SEC. 21. Section 5090.42 is added to the Public Resources Code, to read:
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(a) For purposes of this section, “land” means the land known as the
“Alameda-Tesla Expansion Area,” which encompasses approximately 3,100
acres in the County of Alameda and is currently part of Carnegie State
Vehicular Recreation Area.
 (b) (1) The department shall use the
designation process, pursuant to Article 1.7 (commencing with Section
5019.50) of Chapter 1, and planning process, pursuant to Section 5002.2,
to determine the best use of the land. The land shall not be designated
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I’m having a hard time understanding the ultimate fate of Carnegie SVRA from reading these two articles:

https://www.sfchronicle.com/outdoors...ed-4008139.php

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loca...-deal/2652345/

The NBC article states “The deal would to keep the area from becoming part of a neighboring off-road vehicle park.” implying that Carnegie will remain its current size even after the deal passes (about 4000 acres) instead of expanding into the Tesla parcel, which would’ve added 3100 acres to a grand total of 4000 +3100 = 7100 acres.

Is this understanding correct or will they simply remove Carnegie SVRA altogether and build a new OHV park as the OHV “receive funding to develop another park on land that’s more suitable to that kind of recreation” (NBC article).

Seems like the quote from Sen. Glazer in the NBC article “the off-road enthusiasts will keep their current park” means Carnegie will remain at 4000 acres after the bill passes.
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The comical article is way old.
The NBC one is the same twisted Celeste crap.

As far as the existing SVRA, no changes. We don’t get to develop the 3100 acre expansion area for OHV. It’s gonna be kinda regular state park.
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