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Old 01-23-2016, 01:40 PM   #61
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Old 01-23-2016, 01:47 PM   #62
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And oh yeah, we should tax bicycles too but Brown isn't going to kick that hornet's nest.

i disagree with this because one of the main reasons they shouldnt be charging the same for registration on motorcycles is because they need to encourage varied modes of transportation to alleviate congestion and pollution. not to mention the minute amount of wear that two wheeled vehicles put on the roads.

i think the registration fees should be calculated by weight of the vehicle and/or engine displacement. not this "one size fits all" bullshit.
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Old 01-23-2016, 01:49 PM   #63
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My only regret is that flat taxes are regressive, and hit poor people most. I'd much rather see this increase tied to vehicle value.
I have to agree here : We live in an incredible country, and some of us have to pay our fair share to keep it that way. By the time I'm done with training, I'll be basically giving away half of my income each year, and I'll remember that it was those same tax dollars that helped create the environment in which I could thrive and attain success.
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Old 01-23-2016, 01:57 PM   #65
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Just in case someone wants to make a comment about me pointing out about people getting freebees.
My family came here many many generations ago, as did 99% of us on this board.
Nobody gave us any hand outs we've earned our way in life, and wouldn't want it any other way.
A professional military was already protecting you from invasion when you were born. You didn't have to invent your own currency in order to invent a stable free market to get your first job. Even if you went to private schools your entire life, the teachers that taught you probably went to public schools for free. Unless your family walked over the Bering land bridge, your entire existence, and that of your forebears', was subsidized by someone. Now is your turn to pay for someone else to have good roads. They may not thank you, but not every good deed requires thanks to be worth doing.
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Why? I'm more than happy to contribute $65/vehicle if it's going to improve our our poorly-maintained roads...
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brown out browney, has got to find a way to fund his toy train boon-dongle,
so to make him and his friends richer.

expect more tax hikes and added "fees".
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Old 01-23-2016, 02:30 PM   #68
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A professional military was already protecting you from invasion when you were born. You didn't have to invent your own currency in order to invent a stable free market to get your first job. Even if you went to private schools your entire life, the teachers that taught you probably went to public schools for free. Unless your family walked over the Bering land bridge, your entire existence, and that of your forebears', was subsidized by someone. Now is your turn to pay for someone else to have good roads. They may not thank you, but not every good deed requires thanks to be worth doing.
+1 I pay my fair share of taxes, and feel good about it, freedom is not free. I grew up poor, dad died when I was young. Used survivors social security to get an education and get a good job. Now because of because of the cut this cut that right wing, survivors benefits stop when you are 18. Just toss the kids on the street and see if they can make it. Does not say much about us as a society.

Every time someone blames money for schools or other programs they always have a story about there family has been here for generations. Than just tells me they never went to bed hungry and have no idea the good a social program do. As soon as they say the lottery was going to fix schools you know where the post is going. Everyone know the school part of the lottery was never going to fix anything it was just to get it passed.
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Old 01-23-2016, 03:14 PM   #69
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i disagree with this because one of the main reasons they shouldnt be charging the same for registration on motorcycles is because they need to encourage varied modes of transportation to alleviate congestion and pollution. not to mention the minute amount of wear that two wheeled vehicles put on the roads.

i think the registration fees should be calculated by weight of the vehicle and/or engine displacement. not this "one size fits all" bullshit.
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A professional military was already protecting you from invasion when you were born. You didn't have to invent your own currency in order to invent a stable free market to get your first job. Even if you went to private schools your entire life, the teachers that taught you probably went to public schools for free. Unless your family walked over the Bering land bridge, your entire existence, and that of your forebears', was subsidized by someone. Now is your turn to pay for someone else to have good roads. They may not thank you, but not every good deed requires thanks to be worth doing.
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Good government takes a lot of time and money from us.

Us, meaning the motorcycling population. If you want to be heard, and possibly prevent being screwed, you, and all our brethren, have to step up to a higher level of activism.

It is difficult, but at a minimum you need to...
Join the AMA and BRC, and CORVA if you care about OHV access.
Meet your representatives, state senator and assemblymember; an email followed with a phone call to their chief of staff is pretty effective.

Edit: here is another group http://www.rebuildca.org/rebuild-cal...tion-advocacy/

The motorcyle community is pretty silent to our lawmakers. It would be good if we could change that. Edit, example: http://bayarearidersforum.com/forums...d.php?t=490336
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Old 01-23-2016, 03:57 PM   #71
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Old 01-23-2016, 04:21 PM   #72
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Dreamers college fund, again free college for those who aren't here legally.
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Just in case someone wants to make a comment about me pointing out about people getting freebees.
My family came here many many generations ago, as did 99% of us on this board.
Nobody gave us any hand outs we've earned our way in life, and wouldn't want it any other way.

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A professional military was already protecting you from invasion when you were born. You didn't have to invent your own currency in order to invent a stable free market to get your first job. Even if you went to private schools your entire life, the teachers that taught you probably went to public schools for free. Unless your family walked over the Bering land bridge, your entire existence, and that of your forebears', was subsidized by someone. Now is your turn to pay for someone else to have good roads. They may not thank you, but not every good deed requires thanks to be worth doing.
I might be wrong so I'll leave it to Whammy to clarify if he wants to. My interpretation is his "people getting freebees" are directed at people who are not here legally, not legal US citizen who are entitled to those public services you mentioned.

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i disagree with this because one of the main reasons they shouldnt be charging the same for registration on motorcycles is because they need to encourage varied modes of transportation to alleviate congestion and pollution. not to mention the minute amount of wear that two wheeled vehicles put on the roads.

i think the registration fees should be calculated by weight of the vehicle and/or engine displacement. not this "one size fits all" bullshit.
If its about congestion / pollution, then wouldn't priuz, tezla, and those new bimmer be exempt also ?

I actually have no problem with calculating based on power output, weight of vehicle, and engine displacement. I would benefit from that actually. However, from what I see in my daily life, poorer folks are more often the one with the 10-30 year old muscle car or work truck that weighs a ton while richer folks are now veering toward those 3 vehicles I mentioned above or some other new EV out of most people's financial reach. If we do it the way you suggested, I fear someone is going to start yelling class warfare soon.

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Old 01-23-2016, 04:25 PM   #73
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Why? I'm more than happy to contribute $65/vehicle if it's going to improve our our poorly-maintained roads...
You're already paying for road maintenance through current registration and gas taxes.

Problem is, the money goes into the "general fund" and is sucked out for vote buying - welfare - among other things - train to nowhere, etc. Anything but the intended purpose.

I'd say crooked politician, but then I'd be repeating myself.

This is the problem with a corrupt one party State.
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Old 01-23-2016, 04:34 PM   #75
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I might be wrong so I'll leave it to Whammy to clarify if he wants to. My interpretation is his "people getting freebees" are directed at people who are not here legally, not legal US citizen who are entitled to those public services you mentioned.



If its about congestion / pollution, then wouldn't priuz, tezla, and those new bimmer be exempt also ?

I actually have no problem with calculating based on power output, weight of vehicle, and engine displacement. I would benefit from that actually. However, from what I see in my daily life, poorer folks are more often the one with the 10-30 year old muscle car or work truck that weighs a ton while richer folks are now veering toward those 3 vehicles I mentioned above or some other new EV out of most people's financial reach. If we do it the way you suggested, I fear someone is going to start yelling class warfare soon.
As long as the soccer mom's that can't drive for shit give up their ford excursions which they use to drive around their 2.5 children
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