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Old 03-25-2017, 08:21 PM   #46
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That's why we can't have nice things... Fucking Lawsuits.
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Old 03-25-2017, 08:39 PM   #47
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That's why we can't have nice things... Fucking Lawsuits.
Actually, lawsuits are how we get a lot of nice things... things like product safety and such are ALL derived from lawsuits. That is how our system works.
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Old 03-26-2017, 07:48 AM   #48
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Is it correct for some dweeb to sue after crashing on a trackday? IMO, no it is completely incorrect as he assumed the risk of a very risky activity. He is an adult and should be held accountable for his actions.

I don't know the details of the crash itself but I doubt LS/SCRAMP did anything to cause the injury. If there was a large pipe or other obstacle in a runoff area then they did not properly prepare the runoff area.
So what are you saying here? That riders shouldn't be able to sue if they're injured due to the actions of a negligent track owner or event provider?
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Old 03-26-2017, 09:57 AM   #49
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So what are you saying here? That riders shouldn't be able to sue if they're injured due to the actions of a negligent track owner or event provider?
Yes if there is negligence.
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Old 03-27-2017, 07:45 AM   #50
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I do and I have had hay bales moved when needed. I especially check out a track I have never been to before and note problem areas and evaluate if it is safe to race.
You have a distinct advantage over such an inexperienced rider. I would expect most experienced racers will walk a track and can recognize potential safety issues, but it sounds like this guy had no track and very little riding experience in general.

Unfortunately for track day coordinators and track owners that puts the onus on them because they know there are going to be riders like him out there. Isn't that a big part of why riders are divided into skill groups: for safety? Unless it's a glaring issue like a truck parked on the track, a rookie probably wouldn't recognize something as simple as a hay bale that needs to be re-positioned.

It's a bit of a catch 22.
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Old 03-27-2017, 09:20 AM   #51
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It's a bit of a catch 22.
I don't think it really is in this case. Laguna does a good job of preparing the track and the runoff areas are quite large. On the other hand:

He crashed on his second lap...

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The day of the mishap, Dziurzynski was riding a rented 2013 Kawasaki on the track and was on his second lap when he says he was “unable to complete” Turn 3, went off the track and struck a ditch.
And had already been pulled off the track because of the way he was riding.

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Furthermore, Swartz said Dziurzynski crashed at Turn 3 because he was “driving recklessly and had been escorted off the track at least once before he crashed in the vicinity of Turn 3.”
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He signed a liability waver, was riding like a tool and somehow ended up way off the track. It sucks that he got hurt, but he is solely responsible for what happened.


Also, while I can't be sure it's the same guy, in 2014, a fellow of the same name was involved in this little incident:

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A San Rafael man was arrested on stalking and burglary allegations Tuesday after allegedly hiding in his ex-girlfriend's bedroom closet, police said.
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Could be a coincidence, but his name does not seem as if it would be common in the Bay Area.

For me, this is painting a picture of a guy with a couple of screws loose.
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Old 03-27-2017, 09:24 AM   #52
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He crashed on his second lap...

And had already been pulled off the track because of the way he was riding.

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Furthermore, Swartz said Dziurzynski crashed at Turn 3 because he was “driving recklessly and had been escorted off the track at least once before he crashed in the vicinity of Turn 3.”
it doesn't add up to me -

he was escorted off the track on his first lap "at least once"? Yet somehow managed to crash on his second lap. If he was escorted off the track during his first lap isn't the pit lane exit at the entrance of 3? Which would imply he came out of the pits flying and stacked it during his first turn? Maybe they didn't make him exit the track and just pulled off?

maybe it was his second lap of the session?
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Old 03-27-2017, 09:27 AM   #53
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he was escorted off the track on his first lap "at least once"? Yet somehow managed to crash on his second lap. If he was escorted off the track during his first lap isn't the pit lane exit at the entrance of 3?
You exit the track after turn 10 and enter the track at the exit of turn 2. There is enough room to accelerate to a speed that most riders would not be able to negotiate turn 3 at.

While unusual, the scenario is plausible.
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prob forgot to expand the phrase to say "it was his 2nd lap for that session"
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The track-day provider I used to work for never inspected a track, unless riding conditions seemed borderline. If they were, a couple of us would ride around, at reduced speeds, to evaluate the conditions ......
I hope they weren't local. Didn't you ride the track before the customers went out? Usually that is the minimum everyone does. Maybe you were suppose to report problems, but never had any. I wasn't suggesting that day providers should inspect all run-off areas to the maximum. That should be unnecessary.

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You exit the track after turn 10 and enter the track at the exit of turn 2. There is enough room to accelerate to a speed that most riders would not be able to negotiate turn 3 at.

While unusual, the scenario is plausible.
He would have to panic and stay on the throttle and/or not touch the brakes to get to the tires there, I think. Although, the gravel is thinner closer to two on the hill side. He would have to be way off line to get there, though. I just can't imagine a pipe anywhere in an "obvious" danger zone at Laguna. That part is beyond my limited imagination.
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That part is beyond my limited imagination.
Mine too.
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Old 03-27-2017, 01:50 PM   #57
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I have worked corners for the Keith Code school for yeeeears and have seen no more than a couple crashes in T2. And saying that I've seen two is one more than what is in my memory. The only one I remember was actually one of the instructors. He lost the front. Kinda like this:


youtu.be/sfCPM-YMqiM?t=52s

But to get to the tire wall you would have to be really hauling the mail and then screw up. Or, never attempt to make the corner in the first place and go full throttle, straight ahead.

Obviously there are a lot of holes in both the rider's story and the story that the paper 'printed.' But that's to be expected. Most small town reporters wouldn't understand if you told them that a bike has independent control of the front and rear brakes.

I really do wonder what he hit, though. A drain cover technically has a pipe underneath it. Maybe the cover was off and he cartwheeled? (shrug)
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Guy is a tool, plain and simple. I've been to so many race tracks and signed so many waivers and understand the "you may die" portion. If you don't understand that before entering a racing facility (let alone the racing surface), then GTFFFO!!

From the "I can't believe that" department... I was at Laguna a few years ago in my cage and guy flipped his shiny new car and made a bunch of us miss a number of sessions while they cleaned up the mess and wrote a report. The cause? Oh nothing other than he was on his cell phone arguing with his wife!!! Moral of the story, you just can't teach stupid, it's a gift.
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From the "I can't believe that" department... I was at Laguna a few years ago and guy flipped his shiny new car..The cause? He was on his cell phone...
Lol wut? Like, on the racing surface?

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