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Old 12-05-2017, 09:57 AM   #16
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The GS Dick Heads are famous for this. When you ride a $25K bike, I guess you have something to prove!

I've been blinded several times by BMW GS guys running TOO BRIGHT LED Aux lights. One guy (on coming) running BIG yellow lights had me target fixating on him ... his lights dazzled me, started heading right at him ... then came out of it ... and flipped the guy off as he passed by.

When I see guys running too bright lights ... I TELL THEM.

The Real issue here IMO, is how much these guys with super bright lights PISS OFF car drivers. And what does that lead to?

More riders getting knocked off by enraged cage drivers. (thanks guys!)
But can you blame the car drivers?

I would urge riders to ease up on the bright LED lights ... and really look after the aiming of those lights. If you're riding across the Baja Desert ... at night ... like I've done, that's fine, but in day to day City riding, it's just an Ego trip and really endangers other riders ... and promotes even more cases of ROAD RAGE .... where bikers always lose.
I like the Clearwater lights. Crazy bright but you can dim them for street use. Of course, one must remember to dim them.

And running modulated at night is a dick move.
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Old 12-05-2017, 10:07 AM   #17
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And running modulated at night is a dick move.
I believe it is also not allowed per the CVC. I remember threads on this in the past.
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Old 12-05-2017, 10:16 AM   #18
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I saw a different BMW GS rider yesterday about 5:45 pm on EB24 in Oakland who honked, and then gesticulated wildly and flipped off a truck that wouldn't move over in lane 1 for the rider to split past. I was several lanes over, so I couldn't see exactly what was going on, but it didn't seem like the truck was doing anything other than staying in its lane. Either way, it would have been better to wait until safe to split past rather than make all that commotion. There were 2 riders behind that BMW who seemed to split past without incident.

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Old 12-05-2017, 10:39 AM   #19
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I was fucking pissed that some asshole would roll up all Close Encounter like and light up the whole of 280-S with his fucking light show.


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Old 12-05-2017, 10:48 AM   #20
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That's not too far off reality unfortunately.
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Old 12-05-2017, 11:02 AM   #21
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I've seen something just like that.

One night I was riding on Uvas Rd back toward San Jose and saw this towering, 3-dimensional bubble of light way up ahead beyond the curve and above the treetops, moving towards me. It looked like a helicopter shining its searchlight down onto a tall, moving x-mas tree. It was so unusual it appeared supernatural and kind of spooky. Turned out of be a bike (not sure if it was a Harley or a BMW - I was in awe and momentarily blinded) with who knows how many lumens blazing.

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Old 12-05-2017, 11:19 AM   #22
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Old 12-05-2017, 11:24 AM   #23
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It truly is annoying, but if you got to the point where you were annoyed, you were lucky not to hit or be hit.

Bright lights seem to make a person think they are safe, but in fact, they have blinded everyone for 1 or 2 seconds because they either have to squint, look away, or modify their driving.

For this reason, I can't stand when riders with 10 billion lumens are behind me, because I know everyone in front of us is really seeing nothing.

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Old 12-05-2017, 11:30 AM   #24
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I ran aux lights on my F8GS for a while. But I ran them down near the front axle and had them pointed low and wide. They worked great for visibility in corners at night.
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Old 12-05-2017, 11:38 AM   #25
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I like the Clearwater lights. Crazy bright but you can dim them for street use. Of course, one must remember to dim them.

And running modulated at night is a dick move.
Dimming them does not help. Clearwater lights have circular flashlight beams and will blind those in front even on dim. There is NO optical cutoff in a Clearwater light, as there is in a DOT headlight. They are only appropriate for off-road use, and even then they are basically useless because of their conical beams.

In any sensible country that company would be put out of business. If you rode with those lights in German you'd be pulled over by the cops in the first hour. And they wouldn't give you some wimpy ticket, they'd seize your bike. In Germany even _bicyclists_ are required to have shaped-beam headlights.

In short, Clearwater = retarded. It is the optical equivalent of open pipes.
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It might not be the best approach but when I'm riding or driving and some dick behind is blinding me with his headlights either because they are on high beam or using off road lights, I try to aim my mirrors so as to reflect the light back at them. This also gets the light out of my eyes.
Maybe I'm misaiming because it often seems to have no effect on them.
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Old 12-05-2017, 12:07 PM   #27
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On a related 'too bright' note, last Friday I followed a bicyclist by car for about 3 blocks. It was before sunup, and he had both front and rear flashing LEDs. The rear was red, not the dull/opaque kind, but super bright. We ended up at the same coffee shop, so I approached him and said that while I could see him, it was hard to gauge the distance because the light was blinding me, and that may yield unwanted results. He genuinely thanked me and said he was going to look at something else then. Jolly bloke.
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Old 12-05-2017, 12:22 PM   #29
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Dimming them does not help. Clearwater lights have circular flashlight beams and will blind those in front even on dim. There is NO optical cutoff in a Clearwater light, as there is in a DOT headlight. They are only appropriate for off-road use, and even then they are basically useless because of their conical beams.

In any sensible country that company would be put out of business. If you rode with those lights in German you'd be pulled over by the cops in the first hour. And they wouldn't give you some wimpy ticket, they'd seize your bike. In Germany even _bicyclists_ are required to have shaped-beam headlights.

In short, Clearwater = retarded. It is the optical equivalent of open pipes.
Agreed. There is a member here who runs dimmed clearwaters on his bike. I've been opposite him on a couple occasions and discovered that I cannot, in any way, tell if said person's turn signal is on. Both times it was, and I was only able to tell after seeing the back of the bike.
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Old 12-05-2017, 12:39 PM   #30
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I'm gonna call the whambulance for you guys. I hope it's lights aren't too bright.
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