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Old 12-20-2018, 01:12 PM   #46
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Im very disappointed in the amount of statists on this thread.

It seems the majority of you get annoyed very easily. Maybe lighten up instead of running to the state to solve this minor inconvenience for you.
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Old 12-20-2018, 01:24 PM   #47
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Im very disappointed in the amount of statists on this thread.

It seems the majority of you get annoyed very easily. Maybe lighten up instead of running to the state to solve this minor inconvenience for you.
"Statists" paved your roads.

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Old 12-20-2018, 01:33 PM   #48
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Im very disappointed in the amount of statists on this thread.

It seems the majority of you get annoyed very easily. Maybe lighten up instead of running to the state to solve this minor inconvenience for you.
Not to rain on your ruggedly individualist, "no new laws" parade, but you realize it wasn't "statist" Barfers that wrote this law, right?
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Old 12-20-2018, 01:33 PM   #49
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Im very disappointed in the amount of statists on this thread.

It seems the majority of you get annoyed very easily. Maybe lighten up instead of running to the state to solve this minor inconvenience for you.
What's a "statist?"

If you want to get along with your neighbor, it's wise not to piss them off. Loud pipes piss off our neighbors. Maybe not all of them, but enough of them that they will lean on the state to stop us from doing that.

Is that a statist?

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Old 12-20-2018, 01:44 PM   #50
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contracted private companies paved the roads, but alright.

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Old 12-20-2018, 01:49 PM   #51
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Old 12-20-2018, 01:50 PM   #52
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Not to rain on your ruggedly individualist, "no new laws" parade, but you realize it wasn't "statist" Barfers that wrote this law, right?
the supporters of this law is what i was referring to, but thank you for reassuring me that there aren't too many lawmakers on here!

i don't think a person needs rugged individualism to be against revenue collecting laws that infringe on your liberty.

but a want to keep your money and do what you want with your property is a good start!
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Old 12-20-2018, 01:52 PM   #53
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they will lean on the state to stop us from doing that.

Is that a statist?

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so they are leaning on the state to stop us from doing something? then yes.

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Old 12-20-2018, 01:55 PM   #54
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the supporters of this law is what i was referring to, but thank you for reassuring me that there aren't too many lawmakers on here!

i don't think a person needs rugged individualism to be against revenue collecting laws that infringe on your liberty.

but a want to keep your money and do what you want with your property is a good start!
If that's who you're referring to, then go talk to them, or at least work on your sentence structure to better convey your point: "It seems the majority of you get annoyed very easily. Maybe lighten up instead of running to the state to solve this minor inconvenience for you."

There aren't many lawmakers here, but there are people like me and Budman (who runs BARF) who work directly with lawmakers to try and protect our privileges and rights as motorcyclists, instead of spewing talking points.

"Infringe on your liberty..." Please. That's an incredibly myopic and one-sided perspective on the matter at hand, as is the rest of your post.
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so they are leaning on the state to stop us from doing something? then yes.

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Just out of curiosity, would you rather have your neighbor come over and ask you to stop it with your loud pipes ("your" proverbially, I have no way of knowing if you have them or not) or would you rather have the cops come over, inspect your bike and force you to remove them because your neighbor got tired of hearing them?

I ask this, because this is exactly what's going on. (again, proverbially.)
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Old 12-20-2018, 02:04 PM   #56
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If that's who you're referring to, then go talk to them, or at least work on your sentence structure to better convey your point: "It seems the majority of you get annoyed very easily. Maybe lighten up instead of running to the state to solve this minor inconvenience for you."

There aren't many lawmakers here, but there are people like me and Budman (who runs BARF) who work directly with lawmakers to try and protect our privileges and rights as motorcyclists, instead of spewing talking points.

"Infringe on your liberty..." Please. That's an incredibly myopic and one-sided perspective on the matter at hand, as is the rest of your post.
judging by your previous posts it appears this type of government overreach is expected and apparently inevitable, so i suppose i understand why you dont see this as an infringement.

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Old 12-20-2018, 02:07 PM   #57
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what pipes have any impact on CO2 emissions?
Aftermarket pipes tend to be more free-flowing, so tuning the fuel map/re-flashing the ECU to compensate will almost certainly result in more fuel consumption, thus higher CO2 emissions. That's not really the point, though - it's more that all vehicle emissions are regulated by law, because they have been deemed to be more than just an annoyance, as some people in this thread like to think of them. Unchecked emissions create real, negative effects on other people. That's why they are regulated, and that's why they are now being more aggressively enforced.
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Old 12-20-2018, 02:10 PM   #58
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Just out of curiosity, would you rather have your neighbor come over and ask you to stop it with your loud pipes ("your" proverbially, I have no way of knowing if you have them or not) or would you rather have the cops come over, inspect your bike and force you to remove them because your neighbor got tired of hearing them?

I ask this, because this is exactly what's going on. (again, proverbially.)
of course i'm an advocate of people handling their problems within the parties involved, and if your neighbor annoys you why wouldnt you go talk to them.

decent people would be able to settle the dispute and move on.

but ultimately using the government to control someone else's actions is wrong. but unfortunately that is the time (and largely having to do with the state) we're in.
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Old 12-20-2018, 02:15 PM   #59
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judging by your previous posts it appears this type of government overreach is expected and apparently inevitable, so i suppose i understand why you dont see this as an infringement.

have a nice day
I'm not surprised you arrived at that wildly inaccurate interpretation, based purely on the Thelma & Louise-style jumps you're making in this thread alone.
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Old 12-20-2018, 02:17 PM   #60
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i don't think a person needs rugged individualism to be against revenue collecting laws that infringe on your liberty.
Terrific!

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